Is entrapment justifiable, or is it just creating crime?

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Is entrapment justifiable, or is it just creating crime?
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* Mitas	Dec 11 2013, 08:28 PM Post #1
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	One of those police reality shows is on TV and one of the segments consisted of a Policewoman posing as a prostitute, luring a man to a hotel room and then a team of officers arresting the man. My question is this: what are your views on entrapment? I mean, if they're arresting the man for the exchange of money for sex, then isn't the woman also committing a crime by accepting the money, even if she doesn't actually engage in sexual relations? I mean, the men don't engage in sexual relations either, so obviously the crime starts with the exchanging of money, so the Policewoman is committing the same crime as the man. Also, isn't entrapment creating crime? I guess they could argue that they're just catching criminals that would be committing the crimes regardless of whether the police set them up or not. Something about it just feels wrong to me.
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+ Pelador	Dec 11 2013, 08:39 PM Post #2
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	That sort of thing is only for television. They wouldn't be able to prosecute that man because as you said, that's entrapment. For that show the production company probably had to pay the man compensation after so that he didn't sue. I think I remember reading that on the Show To Catch a Predator where they entrap pedophiles, they couldn't actually prosecute any of them due to it being entrapment and other such bad practices.
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lunar2	Dec 12 2013, 12:14 AM Post #3
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	actually, stings like that work just fine. there's a bunch of technicalities they have to work through, but those are legitimate arrests. i see no problems with it, because those people would have committed that crime anyway. also, the police officer or informant did not commit a crime in the process of exchanging money, because they had no intent to commit a crime. the mark, on the other hand, did have intent. that's the difference.
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+ Pelador	Dec 12 2013, 12:27 AM Post #4
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	If you put a million dollars in the middle of the street, somebody is going to steal it. If you put a knife in a serial killer's hand, he will stab someone. Offer a lonely man sex for money and he will pay for it. So what exactly is the point? Arresting one man isn't going to stop prostitution or even affect it. All this show was doing was providing a cheap thrill to it's audience. If they really wanted to stop prostitution then they'd just lock them all up. But you can go down any red light district in any country and find them lined up down the street. This show was bulls***.
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+ Green	Dec 12 2013, 12:53 AM Post #5
Flashy Thing! Posts: 5,436 Group: Legend Member #1,181 Joined: February 25, 2006 Gender Male Country United States What Browser do you use? Fire fox Favourite Manga Gantz	I actually was thinking about this a lot recently after skipping through channels and seeing a police show that involved entrapment. I thought I made a topic about this here, I guess not. I personally do feel that entrapment does create more crime and doesn't achieve the true goals of law enforcement. Unless the entrapment is designed to catch a specific person or persons I see no good use for it. Police should be focusing their efforts toward preventing/reducing crime and protecting the public. Yes entrapment may create some degree of deterrence but you have to think that considering that shows involving entrapment continue to exist and the practice continues with multiple arrest, that this isn't working. Criminals take risks and knowing that the police may be setting them up is just another risk may of them are willing to take because they know the chances that they are being baited is pretty low. Entrapment is crime created and solved by the police with the "believe" that prisons/the corrections system will keep the criminal(s) off the street and/or reform them. Entrapment does nothing but cause problems and cost money for everyone. Police stings cost time and money, court fees, imprisonment fees, etc., and in the long run don't prevent or reduce crime.
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~~Volt the Mean~~	Dec 12 2013, 01:03 AM Post #6
Posts: 909 Group: Suspended Member #8,024 Joined: July 28, 2012 Gender Male Country United States	To help cops buff their quota's, and stack that paper.



+ Pelador	Dec 12 2013, 01:29 AM Post #7
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	I suppose if the person they were arresting could lead them to bigger criminals connected with the same crime then it might be worth doing.But apart from that I agree that it only serves to meet targets and make them look good.
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lunar2	Dec 12 2013, 02:35 AM Post #8
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	the only people who get caught up in stings are those who are committing those crimes anyway. no one is going to go up to a cop dressed as a hooker unless they were going to go up to an actual hooker. no one is going to buy drugs from a fake drug dealer unless they were already buying drugs from real drug dealers. stings don't create new criminals, they catch existing criminals.
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+ Pelador	Dec 12 2013, 02:41 AM Post #9
Crazy Awesome Legend Posts: 25,663 Group: Legend Member #4,634 Joined: December 12, 2009 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime HunterxHunter What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball	For what purpose? You take away a drug dealer, another takes their place. You arrest a man paying for sex, there are 20 others who will be at that street later on looking for the same thing. They should be targeting the roots of the problem not its symptoms.
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lunar2	Dec 12 2013, 03:59 AM Post #10
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	actually, targeting the johns is the most effective way to deal with prostitution. the hookers are usually kidnapped and forced into the business, and the pimps are too hard to catch. this is, of course, talking about street level prostitution. high level prostitution is a completely different industry, where the hookers are making good money, and everybody involved is too rich to worry about the fines for getting caught. the police tend to leave that part of the business alone, since there's no point in messing with it anyway.
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* Mitas	Dec 12 2013, 11:29 AM Post #11
It truly was a Shawshank redemption Posts: 12,129 Group: Retired Staff Member #2,993 Joined: December 16, 2007 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ, Full Metal Alchemist	I think that you are assuming when you state that "most of the hookers are kidnapped and forced into it". I think you'd be surprised at how many women are in the business by choice. I feel like the most effective way to deal with Prostitution would be to legalise it. There is no way that it will ever stop. It's just too ingrained into society. Rather than spending a lot of time, money and effort to find 1 out of every 20 men and women that commit the crime, why not set up legal establishments for it? That way you make it safer for everyone involved: both parties would be screened for sexually transmitted infections, you would have security present like they do in strip clubs to protect the prostitutes and heck, you could even institute a tax that would MAKE money for the government. Back to the topic at hand, I think Green brings up a really important point. The fact that these operations continue to exist shows that it isn't working. People are not being deterred from committing these crimes. It's just wasted money and effort. Edited by Mitas, Dec 12 2013, 11:31 AM.
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Meowth	Dec 13 2013, 11:03 PM Post #12
=._.= Posts: 130,670 Group: Princess Member #23 Joined: November 22, 2004 Gender Female Country United Kingdom Favourite Anime The Melancholy of Haruhi Suzumiya What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Fruits Basket	Entrapment isn't just involved in street crimes, it could be high level crimes as well, even financial crimes. Is it a bad thing to do? Hard to say, I think for more serious crimes that give longer sentences, yes because that can have a significant impact, if you want to stop street crimes though, it'd be a case of taking down the top structure and not taking away the customers because that doesn't really do much. People who are going to commit a crime will do so anyway.



Optimus Banana	Jan 31 2014, 09:04 PM Post #13
Posts: 837 Group: Member Member #5,898 Joined: March 25, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	lunar2 Dec 12 2013, 02:35 AM the only people who get caught up in stings are those who are committing those crimes anyway. no one is going to go up to a cop dressed as a hooker unless they were going to go up to an actual hooker. no one is going to buy drugs from a fake drug dealer unless they were already buying drugs from real drug dealers. stings don't create new criminals, they catch existing criminals. Those "crimes" you listed shouldn't even be crimes. And they do create new criminals. http://www.alternet.org/story/154164/how_an_attractive%2C_undercover_cop_posed_as_a_student_--_then_entrapped_a_smitten_teen_to_%22sell%22_her_marijuana She practically harassed him into buying marijuana. The government wastes enough money and tricking teenagers into buying weed to lock them up is immoral and just plain over reach of power. Edited by Optimus Banana, Jan 31 2014, 09:09 PM.
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