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(SSj2/3) Vegetto vs Beerus
Topic Started: Dec 6 2013, 08:56 PM (6,087 Views)
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I suppose if Beerus’ strength is a 10, [Super Saiyan] God would be right about 6. Only, Saiyans rapidly increase in strength as they fight against strong opponents, so the longer they fought, the more that gap would shrink, and it might even be possible for them to eventually turn the tables. Incidentally, I guess Whis would be about a 15.
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/battle-gods-animanga-akira-toriyama/


Wait, this isn't solid??
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Don't see why it wouldn't be. Even if it is just an estimation, it wouldn't be far off.
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I think that's the most solid piece of information that you'll get.
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Agreed, and Toriyama seemed to know what he was talking about when he made that statement. 1.5x difference in Z is much greater than a one shot gap, which is what Whis did to Birusu. It works just fine.
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Exactly that. I'm willing to trust his confidence even though I have to anyway.
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So, basically this is people not accepting what the creator has made because...it's not directly said in the movie? Look at every single interview with Toriyama about the movie, specifically Beerus, and you'll see a pretty clear vibe that the God of Destruction is the richest, grandest mother*bleep*er to come out of the Z world (obviously not including Whis because he was a surprise at the very end).

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/battle-gods-animanga-akira-toriyama/

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/asahi-shimbun-digital-akira-toriyama-interview/

In the second interview, the man questioning Toriyama calls Beerus the "mightiest foe" and Toriyama doesn't hesitate to accept that descriptor, almost like it's exactly what Beerus is.

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/battle-gods-blu-ray-dvd-message/

In that one he says Beerus is "rumored" to be the "strongest there is," which, if you can comprehend literary tones, is basically an admittance to him being the best thing around.

You want something more concrete?

http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/battle-of-gods-promotional-pamphlet-2-akira-toriyama/
http://www.kanzenshuu.com/translations/battle-of-gods-theatrical-program-akira-toriyama-comments/

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Apparently, it’s been 17 years since the last animated Dragon Ball movie! For all the animation up to now, I’ve basically just left everything up [to the staff], so this is my first try at being involved starting from the story’s creation. The key words this time, “God of Destruction Beerus” and “Super Saiyan God”, were suggestions from the scriptwriter, but they were good ideas for presenting a crisis for the main characters, who had grown so strong that they’d reached a point where there was nothing higher. After first deciding on Beerus’s character design and background, I tried thinking up an original story, imagining it as though [the manga's] serialization had continued. What’s more, the God of Destruction Beerus, who I drew the design for myself (something I don’t usually do), is a terrifying opponent so overwhelmingly strong that he surpasses the dimension of the previous enemies. But it’s my trademark to not let things get too dark. At the very least, I’m satisfied that it’s been finished up as a very entertaining piece of work.

By the way, the battle scenes in the second half are particularly overwhelming! I was moved because the presentation exceeded my expectations. Just as you’d expect, Japan’s animation is superb! Everyone on the staff, you really did a great job!! Well, please enjoy the first Dragon Ball in a long time!


That's not "promotional mumbo jumbo," that's direct confirmation from the original author of the series and man behind Beerus' conception. Denying that that's a testament of Beerus being superior to Gohan-Boo is rather ridiculous and ignorant. Hell, according to Toriyama, Gohan-Boo isn't even in the same dimension as Gohan-Boo.

None of that outright says Beerus is stronger than Vegetto, and I'm not shamed for admitting that. But it does paint a clear picture that he is the strongest enemy the Zet Senshi have ever come across. Just because the movie doesn't say, "OMG THIS CAT IS STRONGER THAN MAJIN BOO!1!!1!!" doesn't mean that isn't case. We have confirmation from the supreme overlord of the entire series for that.

EDIT: Apparently Goku does say that Beerus is the strongest guy he's ever faced, though I don't have the exact line.
With that in mind, I'd say Beerus could be surpassing SSj Vegetto, though I think Super Saiyan 2 would get the job done and Super Saiyan 3 would be complete overkill.
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I put Beers higher than SSJ3 Vegetto since they would have to have considered fusing and going SSJ3 if they thought such a thing was plausible.

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Dec 8 2013, 05:54 AM
I put Beers higher than SSJ3 Vegetto since they would have to have considered fusing and going SSJ3 if they thought such a thing was plausible.
Whose set of earrings were they going to use?
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The idea still should have come up. Reason: kaioshin was handing them out like candy before. I mean, comon, they thought of tarble.
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Perhaps, but there were two pairs of earrings and both were crushed. That's the only reason they were being handed out. There were none left after that.

But I agree, Fusion should've at least come up.
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The dance at its finest, yes. Finest that would take care of the fight or make it a good one.
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We all know everybody was hoping for a Gogeta cameo.
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Dec 8 2013, 06:32 AM
Perhaps, but there were two pairs of earrings and both were crushed. That's the only reason they were being handed out. There were none left after that.

But I agree, Fusion should've at least come up.
Yeah that's what I meant. The candy part was a figure of speech. The fact that they were offered another should have influenced the thought process.

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My tentative belief on the matter, until something comes along and proves me wrong, is that Super Vegetto tops out at around half of Beers' full power and slightly inferior to Super Saiyan God Goku, Super Saiyan 2 Vegetto is a more-or-less equal match for full-power Beers, and Super Saiyan 3 Vegetto can thus quickly and easily thrash Beers like it ain't no thang.

Beers: 10
SSJ God Goku: 6

SSJ Vegetto: 5

SSJ2 Vegetto: 10
SSJ3 Vegetto: 40
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Kaboom, I have a quick question. How strong do you have Super Saiyan God rising from Base and Super Saiyan 3?
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