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The Legendary Super Saiyan form
Topic Started: Dec 3 2013, 11:39 PM (1,165 Views)
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What are some pros and cons of the form? Benefits and downfalls?

I want to talk about this form in general so go ahead and post your own personal multipliers or anything else that you can think of for the form if you desire.

I'm asking nicely: Please don't let that interfere with the main question that I asked.
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It makes you dumb as a brick but gives you an encyclopedia of lame one-liners
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Broly's mind was already pretty messed up to be fair, so we can't be sure that the LSSJ form caused that. He did hold a grudge over Goku crying when they were babies.
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Pro's:

- Unlimited supply of ki (akin to the androids)
- Power increase over SSJ

Cons:

- Your body has a physical limit of ki it can handle at one time, and the infinite supply didn't get the memo...

- Makes you big and bulky even though no speed loss is mentioned. Being bigger and bulkier makes you a bigger target.
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Well I think it makes you go insane cuz all the power goes to your head. Broly ended up killing his own father.
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Dec 3 2013, 11:46 PM
Broly's mind was already pretty messed up to be fair, so we can't be sure that the LSSJ form caused that. He did hold a grudge over Goku crying when they were babies.
I always thought Broly was kind of a homage to Dr. Jekyl/Mr. Hyde, with the dual weakling/genocidal lunatic personalities, personally, so I'm with you 100% on that one.
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The Super Saiyan form itself creates a personality change. Goku became more vicious and condescending, Gohan in SSJ2 became outright SADISTIC in his power. Considering the status of being the "Legendary Super Saiyan", none of us can say one way or another if Broly's seen personality was created by the power he held or if the conditioning he was put under is what is the reason.
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Thanks for the answers, guys. They were all great and greatly appreciated.

Perhaps the form didn't help Broly's mental case that he had already.

Connor, what do you mean by power increase over SSj?
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Professor Gohan
Dec 4 2013, 01:50 AM
Thanks for the answers, guys. They were all great and greatly appreciated.

Perhaps the form didn't help Broly's mental case that he had already.

Connor, what do you mean by power increase over SSj?
Sorry I didn't specify, I tend to not do that.

SSJ<LSSJ<SSJ2
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I see what you mean now. That's simple actually, my bad.

So how much of an increase do you and others think? What's the multiplication?
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Dec 4 2013, 02:05 AM
I see what you mean now. That's simple actually, my bad.

So how much of an increase do you and others think? What's the multiplication?
I personally roll with LSSJ being 3x.
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I have a bit of a funny outlook on Broly's "unique" transformation. I think that being the legendary Super Saiyan just gives him this freakish steady and constant power growth and seemingly bottomless ki reserves in battle.

However, since Broly's insane in the membrane and not the type of guy with the mental fortitude for training, he eventually hits limits. More specifically, he eventually ends up with more power than his normal Super Saiyan form can hold. So his still-growing power starts manifesting as the 'Grades' states that the heroes tried out and rejected, simply because it has nowhere else to go. But when his power still continues to grow, he ends up pushing the limits of what THOSE forms can contain and process too.

Which, in my eyes, is why when he cuts loose, his "LSSJ' state looks the way it does. It's the 'Grade' forms taken to a new extreme. We've seen characters grow wildly in size and bulk when they start pumping themselves up past their normal limits, and that's what's happening to Broly. It's happening to SUCH an extreme, that his body actually still hits a limit to how much power he can contain at once, so he has to stop now and then and actually expel extra energy.

If Broly weren't a Nutrageous bar come to life, he would be able to learn how to properly use this power, by mastering his Super Saiyan like the heroes did and channeling this power into Super Saiyan 2 and beyond. But alas, he's got the power of a god but the brains of a chipmunk, so he doesn't. So he's stuck with the bloated, uncomfortable, stress-filled LSSJ state instead. It may be as strong or maybe even a little stronger than Grade 3 or Super Saiyan 2, but it doesn't seem like the better choice to me.

If you want to take "What If" material into account, then perhaps Broly's growing strength reserves could eventually start breaching into SSJ3's realm of power and cause him to take on SSJ3 characteristics as a result.
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While that is possible, what can be extrapolated of his personality? At LSSJ, Broly is sadistic to a degree that surpasses Gohan when he hit SSJ2. However, it appears at least with Goku that SSJ3 creates a tranquil fury instead of a raging beast. With that in mind, could we see the true Broly if.he ever broke past the SSJ3 barrier?
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Dec 5 2013, 06:35 PM
While that is possible, what can be extrapolated of his personality? At LSSJ, Broly is sadistic to a degree that surpasses Gohan when he hit SSJ2. However, it appears at least with Goku that SSJ3 creates a tranquil fury instead of a raging beast. With that in mind, could we see the true Broly if.he ever broke past the SSJ3 barrier?
Broly is a brain-dead moron even in base form, I doubt SSJ3 will do anything to the nerve clump masquerading as a brain
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It takes creativity to be a sadistic SOB. For proof, just look at all the real world serial killers and their eloquence and apparent refinement. Broly was never brain-dead as it were and certainly no moron. Sociopathy and psychopathy make human minds go odd, I can only imagine the Saiyan brain chemistry of the two.

This also does not prevent the possibility we may see the true Jekyll to Broly's LSSJ Hyde if he ever reached SS3. Goku appeared tranquil in the form but we also do not know what one's personality is like when first reached beyond Gotenks and considering the nature of Fusion, probably not the best marker anyway. Has there ever been a discription of a Saiyan when they first reach SSJ3 from Toriyama-san?
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