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Wrath of the Dragon Was Awesome; Until It GT's On Us
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Yuli Ban	Dec 1 2013, 01:09 AM Post #1
Posts: 386 Group: Member Member #9,907 Joined: August 14, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon Ball; One Piece; GitS; AKIRA; Yuyu Hakusho; Gunnm; FLCL What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragon Ball; FLCL; Berserk; Durarara!!	I have the movie recorded on DVR and have watched it more times than most other DBZ movies. Why? Because, out of everything in Dragon Ball Z, it actually had a solid story. Let's see: Back story was pretty good. Up against anything else, it would've been mediocre and shallow, but compared to Z and GT, it's astoundingly deep. Animation was top-notch. I love watching Gohan catch the bullets and drop'em. There's fluidity throughout that you just didn't didn't see in the other movies or the main series. The main story, gasp, doesn't focus on Goku and his enemies! Let's see here... Movies 1, 2, 3, 4, and 5 mainly dealt with incoming threats that Goku handily defeated. 6 was just a chance meeting between Goku and Cooler. 7, 8, 9 and 10 all featured enemies hunting for Goku or with some sort of grudge against him. 10, however, kept him out of the spotlight, but Broly would remind us like a tape recorder the real reason why he's on a rampage. 11, who cares about that "movie." Still, it's one of the few movies in which Goku isn't the Last-Punch Hero. 12, that was an interesting case that didn't make much sense in hindsight, especially considering GT would do the exact same thing that same year. But Goku was still the hero. Now we reach movie 13, whose whole story revolves around Tapion and his relationship with Trunks. How Tapion lost his brother, Minotia, while trying to seal Hirudegarn, and Trunks relating to him in that he never had a brother. It's like it's from a whole different series! Where did this come from? What keeps the movie from being my #1 favorite (actually throws it down 4 whole pegs)? Goku f*ing saves the day. This is easily the most disappointing Goku Save in the whole mythology. They even give Trunks Tapion's sword and gets a good blow in one Hirudegarn, and Goku just has to be the Big Damn Hero and say "No, Trunks! Leave it to me!" Hirudegarn is also an interesting enemy because it's basically an illusion. It's an illusional demon captured by the racial supremacist Kashvar. It's a set up to be an epic DBZ movie. But nope, the thing just HAD to GT us. Hirudegarn already had a sort of weakness, the sound of Tapion's flute. Instead, he now has a new weakness: major emotion. Piss it off enough, and it will be weakened. Because Hirudegarn is a total emo/jock, of course, and the movie was prepping us for that plot twist. And Goku finishes it off, looking all angelic in his SSJ3 form. The last 5 minutes of the movie are the weakest by *far. Just a total DBGT-styled a** pull to make Goku the hero. I really wanted Trunks to lay the final blow. Now it kinda feels like the whole relationship build-up between Trunks and Tapion has no real resolution. Sure, Trunks gets Tapion's sword, but without Hirudegarn's blood on it, it just doesn't... it just doesn't feel the same. There's no real closure. Trunks gets the spotlight for most of the movie only for Goku to steal it from him? That was a d*** move if there ever was one (though we do get the Dragon Fist). So that's my opinion. What 'bout yours'?
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Andro	Dec 1 2013, 10:03 AM Post #2
Posts: 1,854 Group: Member Member #7,941 Joined: July 13, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None	Agreed with the most part. But it would be weird to make Trunks the one to give the final blow. It was the final DBZ movie (well, in a long time), so making Gokuu be the main hero makes sense, don't you think? Most of the fans prefer it this way too.



+ Majin Vegeta	Dec 1 2013, 11:55 AM Post #3
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	I agree its a great movie,and Gokus finishing was not the best,but I wouldn't want Trunks to make it either,I like it the way it was,with the DragonFist,and in any movie you chenck Goku is the one who always beats the villains with some strange PIS power up
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


Yuli Ban	Dec 1 2013, 01:53 PM Post #4
Posts: 386 Group: Member Member #9,907 Joined: August 14, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon Ball; One Piece; GitS; AKIRA; Yuyu Hakusho; Gunnm; FLCL What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragon Ball; FLCL; Berserk; Durarara!!	You both completely overshot the OP. The cause for disappointment is not necessarily that Goku had the final blow, but that the story of the movie completely bent itself out of shape to make sure he threw the last attack, as awesome as Dragon Fist may be. The whole story, it seemed set up for Trunks to be important in the final battle, only for Goku to come in with a Deus Ex Machina attack with a Deus Ex Machina reason why Hirudegarn was weak. Though Goku had it 10 of the last 12 times, it stood to reason that this might be different. To me, kinda felt like a slap in the face considering that this was one of the best DBZ movie stories, if not the best, but a weak slap since it is Goku and this is DBZ we're talking about. After all, killing Hirudegarn is literally the only real success SSJ3 has ever had, besides stalling Buu. So that was one of my positives before I thought about the ending.
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SuperSaiyan1993	Dec 1 2013, 03:22 PM Post #5
Super Saiyan among Super Saiyans Posts: 3,294 Group: Member Member #7,044 Joined: December 7, 2011 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragonball Z, Avatar	Sky Hedgehogian Maestro Dec 1 2013, 01:53 PM The cause for disappointment is not necessarily that Goku had the final blow, but that the story of the movie completely bent itself out of shape to make sure he threw the last attack, as awesome as Dragon Fist may be. The whole story, it seemed set up for Trunks to be important in the final battle, only for Goku to come in Just like with Gohan and the Buu saga huh.
	We Super Saiyans are in a league of our own.


+ Pointer	Dec 1 2013, 03:29 PM Post #6
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	story wise it was 7/10 power wise it was 1/10 All in all 5/10 Average but still better than Gt



*Copy_Ninja*	Dec 1 2013, 03:39 PM Post #7
*Novacane for the pain* Posts: 8,033 Group: Guardian Member #6,499 Joined: July 18, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood, Hunter x Hunter (2011) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Monster, One Piece, Naruto, Fullmetal Alchemist, Hunter X Hunter, Death Note, SnK	Wrath of the Dragon was the best DB movie that they made hands down. I prefer it to a lot of the stuff that happened in the show tbh, Tapion was awesome. There should have been a filler arc about this rather than Garlic Jr.
	We'll never be those kids again


tOMMY pICKLES	Dec 1 2013, 03:42 PM Post #8
Yare Yare Daze Posts: 3,780 Group: Humanoid Typhoon Member #8,557 Joined: November 13, 2012 Gender Other Country Canada Favourite Anime Cowbow Bebop. Trigun. Samurai Champloo. JJBA. FMA:B. What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk, JJBA	I really enjoyed this movie too. I liked tapions story and everything that was going on with him and trunks. yah trunks should have ended up getting the final blow the way the whole story panned out its like if, Mr.Miyagi won that last match instead of Daniel LaRusso Edited by tOMMY pICKLES, Dec 1 2013, 03:43 PM.



+ Majin Vegeta	Dec 1 2013, 04:05 PM Post #9
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Although a great movie,I would never hav it as tye best one in dbz,I prefer Fusion reborn better,and Tye Legendary super Saiyan as well,Howveer its still good
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


+ Kaboom	Dec 1 2013, 04:15 PM Post #10
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	Just FYI, anything about Hildegarn's weakness being emotions was dub-crafted baloney, and since you said you DVR'd it, I assume you're been watching the dub. If I recall, Hildegarn's only stated weakness in the original was that it was solid and vulnerable while attacking. Plus, since it used its tail to get all "like Cell but bigger" and increase its power by absorbing people, I'm preeeeeetty sure that Trunks actually helped by chopping Hildy's tail off, leaving the big mofo weak enough for Goku to finish off. The power-scaling in the movie's not all that bad. Goku's not really outright portrayed as stronger than Gotenks or Gohan, just a bit more durable if anything, with perhaps a helping of "main character resolve" in the mix too. Anyhoo, with all that out of the way... yeah, Movie 13 really stands out as far as the DBZ films go. It has an actual plot focusing on characters besides Goku, it's the only one of the original 13 to focus on any all-new characters that aren't villains (namely Tapion; Movie 10 had villagers with names but none of them really had the spotlight), and on top of everything else, it's downright BEAUTIFULLY animated.



Yuli Ban	Dec 1 2013, 04:19 PM Post #11
Posts: 386 Group: Member Member #9,907 Joined: August 14, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon Ball; One Piece; GitS; AKIRA; Yuyu Hakusho; Gunnm; FLCL What Browser do you use? Google Favourite Manga Dragon Ball; FLCL; Berserk; Durarara!!	I really enjoyed the realistic exchange between Tapion and Bulma, too. It felt like FUNI was really trying this time around, compared to the cartoony, over-the-top dub for everything else in the series pre-Kai. Really liked the voice acting here. I was almost tempted to say that the Tapion-Bulma conversation was a bit uncomfortable because I was so used to flamboyant acting in DB. Edited by Yuli Ban, Dec 2 2013, 08:12 PM.
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Andro	Dec 2 2013, 04:41 PM Post #12
Posts: 1,854 Group: Member Member #7,941 Joined: July 13, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None	Copy_Ninja Dec 1 2013, 03:39 PM Wrath of the Dragon was the best DB movie that they made hands down Have you not seen DB Path to Power? Unless you mean DBZ. Edited by Andro, Dec 2 2013, 04:51 PM.



~~Professor Gohan~~	Dec 2 2013, 04:58 PM Post #13
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	I'm sure Copy just meant DB as a general term. I'm with Kaboom about the matter; I couldn't have said it myself. I've been preaching that for quite sometime now. I guess I probably didn't word it right or something.



+ Majin Vegeta	Dec 3 2013, 06:41 PM Post #14
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Andro Dec 2 2013, 04:41 PM Copy_Ninja Dec 1 2013, 03:39 PM Wrath of the Dragon was the best DB movie that they made hands down Have you not seen DB Path to Power? Unless you mean DBZ. Why though?Path Go power sure was Aweosme,but its still nowere near on my tops
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


Ben	Dec 3 2013, 11:52 PM Post #15
Posts: 564 Group: Donator Member #10,230 Joined: September 20, 2013 Gender Not Specified What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Tapion was a great addition to the series, but he never got to do very much battle wise. He was the one character I wish had shown up in GT more than any other from the movies. Edited by Ben, Dec 3 2013, 11:53 PM.



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