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| lunar2 | Nov 6 2013, 08:36 PM Post #31 |
 
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doesn't matter. it's not part of the manga, it's not canon. |
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list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god | |
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Nov 6 2013, 09:06 PM Post #32 |
 
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it takes place in the 10 year gap in the manga. everyone agrees its canon so deal with it |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Nov 6 2013, 09:24 PM Post #33 |
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I Always placed Abo and Cadi at Final Form Friezas level but many people say he's on First form ones which doesn't really make sense since in SSj Trunk and Goten would be weaker than 100% Frieza as for Tarble I would place him at 18s level 
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| Hearts | Nov 6 2013, 10:49 PM Post #34 |
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1. There is no way Tarble knows the full extent of Friezas power, he should only know of the first form 2. There is no way Goten and Trunks are as weak as first form Frieza Powerlevel wise, this movie didnt make any sense, theres no way we will be able to get a united opinion about this and i dont think Tarble heard about Friezas final form from the namekians because of two things.. If the namekians told him about Friezas power then he wouldnt base Gokus potential with a scouter and say no, sensing ki is just that, sensing it, theres no way for them to explain that Friezas final form is at 120million instead of 500k.. And even if he did know, wouldnt he tell Vegeta or Goku about that? like "Vegeta, my brother, you know about Friezas powerlevel of 500k?.. Yeah its actually 120 million" Edited by Hearts, Nov 6 2013, 10:53 PM.
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| lunar2 | Nov 6 2013, 11:10 PM Post #35 |
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1. it doesn't matter when it takes place, it isn't part of the manga. it isn't black and white line drawings on paper labelled chapter 5XX: battle of gods, drawn by toriyama's own hand. 2. obviously everyone does not agree, since i'm saying it's not. it's actually split pretty evenly among those who think it is canon, and those who don't. |
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| Hearts | Nov 6 2013, 11:26 PM Post #36 |
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Youre basing whats canon and not canon on an opinion.. If the creator of the manga says its canon then theres no arguing really, no matter how little he remembers about the series |
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| lunar2 | Nov 6 2013, 11:35 PM Post #37 |
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AT never said it's canon. and besides, death of the author is a thing. just because the author said it, doesn't make it true. |
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| Hearts | Nov 7 2013, 12:38 AM Post #38 |
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Who decides when its a death of the author :P I dont really know if he said the exact words that its canon but i know he said that hes made the movie like a continuation of the series which is the next best thing.. but why dont you want see it as canon? Because you dont like it or because it wasnt a part of the original 42 books? |
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| lunar2 | Nov 7 2013, 12:46 AM Post #39 |
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oh, i like it well enough. but it's not part of the original work. also, there are some contradictions with the manga, and some timeline issues. but those are secondary to the issue that it isn't part of the manga. what death of the author means is that when the author interprets an already published work, his interpretation is just as valid as any other reader's. no more, no less. this is because of several factors. such as his opinions possibly having changed, or him having forgotten his original intentions. basically, even though he is the author, he is not the exact same version of himself as he was when he created the work to begin with, so he doesn't have the same perspective. |
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| Hearts | Nov 7 2013, 12:49 AM Post #40 |
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damnit.. matches Akira perfectly :P Fine, Death to the author it is :P I still believe its cannon, dont really see why it doesnt fit the timeline, it could be 2 years after the Buu fight putting the fight 3 years after at 5 years after the buu fight which would fit it perfectly.. The only contradiction i know of is that Pilaf and the others are young, which would be a contradiction of GT which i dont mind :P |
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| lunar2 | Nov 7 2013, 01:07 AM Post #41 |
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it is about ages, actually. goten and trunks are drawn as little kids when they should be 13 and 14. |
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| Hearts | Nov 7 2013, 12:34 PM Post #42 |
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It could have been 1 year after the buu fight, they would only be 9/10 years old which would match their appearance, doesnt have to be 5 years after |
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| * Crashbreaka | Nov 7 2013, 12:46 PM Post #43 |
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Wasn't the movie specified to be 5 years after though? (I really need to start remembering this kind of stuff). |
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| Hearts | Nov 7 2013, 01:05 PM Post #44 |
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Timeline placement This film is stated to be several years after Kid Buu's defeat and several years before the 28th World Martial Arts Tournament, in Age 778 according to the 2013 exhibition The World of Dragon Ball. It also takes place after the events of the 2008 special Dragon Ball: Yo! Son Goku and His Friends Return!!, which is set two years after Kid Buu's defeat, as Bulma references Tarble, the younger brother of Vegeta who the Z Fighters and their friends met in the 2008 special. according to wiki.. so damn, I guess it has to be >2 years after which would the kids age wrong in the movie :P |
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Nov 7 2013, 03:28 PM Post #45 |
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I 110% agree with lunar. Therefore, I can't take anything seriously from this movie or BOG. It isn't a part of the original manga that was originally made. So it's not canon and shouldn't be taken seriously. They should be power scaled just like any other movie, ova, or anything else that's created as a side-story of the original. |
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