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| lunar2 | Nov 5 2013, 04:15 AM Post #16 |
 
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i guess this means that buu arc piccolo was somehow weaker than frieza, too. considering he's outright stated to be weaker than the base saiyans. or how is hypothetical base gokhan strong enough to beat buutenks, but kibitokai is not. kaioshin can defeat frieza in a single blow, but goku is supposed to be weaker than frieza while making a stronger fusion? the edge post z sword base gohan has over kibito can't be that big, not when gohan was doubting his ability to beat kibito without going all out before. Chapter: 443 (DBZ 249), P9.1-3 Context: as Gohan prepares to fight Kibito Gohan: “Man, this is a predicament. Bulma told me that if people found out my true power, there'd be a big commotion and it'd become hard for me to go to school anywhere. That's why I disguised myself, but...He doesn’t seem like an opponent that I can beat while suitably covering up [my true power].” Note: That last sentence is one of those that’s kinda hard to translate literally. “Covering up” (gomakasu) is in the sense of faking it or deceiving someone, not simply in the sense of wearing a disguise, and in context he's almost certainly talking about covering up his true power (since that's what he mentions disguising himself in order to prevent people from finding out about). So essentially, Gohan doesn’t think he can win while still covering up his actual power. Hence Viz’s ‘by accident’ being in quotation marks: they mean the sort of thing Shen did, hiding his power by making it look like he won by pure accident. So I can see what Viz was going for with their translation, but I think it is kinda confusing. so kibito is in the same range of power as pre sword base gohan, and according to you kaioshin is much more powerful than base goku. so how is gokhan so much stronger than kibitokai that kibitokai would only get in the way fighting buu, while base gokhan is "ple~eenty" as old kai says it? kaioshin alone, being so much more powerful than goku, should have at least carried some of the difference between gohan and kibito. |
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| + Emmeth | Nov 5 2013, 08:34 AM Post #17 |
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I want to get this into the light. Like lazer says, it was never disputed by the Z-Fighters that they are indeed comparable to Freeza. The last form Goku, Vegeta, Krillin and Gohan saw was his true form. It's believable that the two individually have as much power as him. As for the whole 18 sensing Tarble thing, I'm not sure they would mention it if Tarble was weaker than Raditz. For some reason, I believe Tarble is comparable to at least Captain Ginyu. Remember how strong his brother became over time. |
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| lazerbem | Nov 5 2013, 12:56 PM Post #18 |
 
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The huge problem is this: How does Tarble know Frieza's Full Power? |
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| + Pointer | Nov 5 2013, 01:26 PM Post #19 |
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he is referringg to first form frieza IMO |
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| + Ginyu | Nov 5 2013, 02:10 PM Post #20 |
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This could just be a mistake, Yo Son Goku is not written by Toriyama after all |
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| + Pointer | Nov 5 2013, 02:13 PM Post #21 |
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tarble was mentioned in BOG btw |
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| + Emmeth | Nov 5 2013, 02:26 PM Post #22 |
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Plothole. That's all I can think of. |
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Nov 5 2013, 09:11 PM Post #23 |
 
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Tarble states he found out about Vegeta's current location from local Namekians, who were clearly able to sense power levels (and even go as far as to tell whether one's ki is filled with evil or otherwise), and present for the final battle between Freeza at 100% of his Full Power, and Super Saiyan Goku before being transported to Earth with the help of the final wish of their Namekian Dragon Balls. In addition, as Goku only had knowledge of Freeza's final form (being that he was in the rejuvenation chamber healing for the majority of the fight, and only "spectated" the fight through ki readings), but still immediately concluded that if they are only as powerful as Freeza was in his day, "They should be perfect for the kids". |
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| lunar2 | Nov 5 2013, 09:12 PM Post #24 |
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well, since the special isn't canon, we can use the filler scenes where frieza and ssj goku are being scanned from another planet, and they were still so strong it blew out the computer. if tarble ever had any interaction with the PTO (which is possible, since the villains he's dealing with are PTO leftovers), then he could have gotten the information about frieza's power. |
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Nov 5 2013, 09:22 PM Post #25 |
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The special is canon as seen in BOG Tarble was mentioned |
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| lunar2 | Nov 6 2013, 12:53 AM Post #26 |
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well, since BoG itself isn't canon, it can't make anything else canon. besides, even if BoG was canon, mentioning tarble doesn't make the whole special canon, it just makes the character tarble canon. just like bardock appearing in the manga doesn't make the bardock special canon, just the character bardock. only what actually appears in the manga is canon. |
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| Andro | Nov 6 2013, 10:10 AM Post #27 |
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They are as strong as Freeza's first form, due to no one had seen Freeza's forms besides a few. It's only logical to think that Tarble was referring to Freeza's first form. |
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| + Emmeth | Nov 6 2013, 10:59 AM Post #28 |
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Although I agree and don't think BoG is canon, AT himself wrote at least 90%, if not 100%, of the script. That makes it, in the eyes of the law, canon. |
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| lunar2 | Nov 6 2013, 08:19 PM Post #29 |
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one definition of canon, and the one i use, is the original work. not everything made by toriyama is canon. only the manga is canon, because only the manga is the original work. now, if AT makes a manga special chapter of battle of gods, then it will be canon. until then, no. |
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Nov 6 2013, 08:26 PM Post #30 |
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what? battle of gods is canon seeing as Akira states it takes place in the 10 year time skip in the manga |
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