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Abo and Cado
Tweet Topic Started: Nov 5 2013, 12:54 AM (2,401 Views)
~~King Kakarot~~	Nov 5 2013, 12:54 AM Post #1
Posts: 2,437 Group: Suspended Member #10,181 Joined: September 15, 2013 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga db	When Tarble said they were as strong as freiza want form did he mean? Also how strong do you think Tarble is android 18 said he had a powerful ki



lazerbem	Nov 5 2013, 12:58 AM Post #2
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	King Kakarot Nov 5 2013, 12:54 AM When Tarble said they were as strong as freiza want form did he mean? Also how strong do you think Tarble is android 18 said he had a powerful ki Abo and Cado being as strong as Frieza is never contradicted by the Z-Fighters(how Tarble know Frieza's Full Power is another can of worms)and Tarble seemed fairly weak, seeing as he got banished from Vegeta. Tarble is probably weaker than Raditz and as for 18's comment, he has a powerful ki for Earth, not really for them
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lunar2	Nov 5 2013, 01:09 AM Post #3
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	except tarble was stated to give abo and cado trouble. that would put him on par with frieza, himself. he was weak as a baby, but he's not weak anymore.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


EMIYA	Nov 5 2013, 01:14 AM Post #4
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	I'm going to quickly move this to the movies sections while I'm at it- Sir Brofist



lazerbem	Nov 5 2013, 01:24 AM Post #5
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	lunar2 Nov 5 2013, 01:09 AM except tarble was stated to give abo and cado trouble. that would put him on par with frieza, himself. he was weak as a baby, but he's not weak anymore. When was this stated?! If this is the case, then things get really weird. Tarble is obviously weaker than Frieza, probably Frieza's First Form since he didn't dare to challenge him but he can somehow give Abo and Cado trouble? Time to revise power chains. Abo and Cado: 530,000 Tarble: 430,000 Does that sound good? Of course, if this is the case, that means that Goku was suppressed to a level below First Form Frieza
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AA500	Nov 5 2013, 01:28 AM Post #6
Posts: 2,079 Group: Member Member #9,363 Joined: April 11, 2013 Gender Not Specified	lunar2 Nov 5 2013, 01:09 AM except tarble was stated to give abo and cado trouble. that would put him on par with frieza, himself. he was weak as a baby, but he's not weak anymore. I think they meant that it was a pain to follow Tarble so far. He called Abo and Cado stronger than the Ginyu Force and Freeza, which implies he might be below the Ginyus.



~~King Kakarot~~	Nov 5 2013, 01:31 AM Post #7
Posts: 2,437 Group: Suspended Member #10,181 Joined: September 15, 2013 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga db	lazerbem Nov 5 2013, 01:24 AM lunar2 Nov 5 2013, 01:09 AM except tarble was stated to give abo and cado trouble. that would put him on par with frieza, himself. he was weak as a baby, but he's not weak anymore. When was this stated?! If this is the case, then things get really weird. Tarble is obviously weaker than Frieza, probably Frieza's First Form since he didn't dare to challenge him but he can somehow give Abo and Cado trouble? Time to revise power chains. Abo and Cado: 530,000 Tarble: 430,000 Does that sound good? Of course, if this is the case, that means that Goku was suppressed to a level below First Form Frieza no way abo and cado are first form freiza level and giving base goten and trunks problems



+ Kaboom	Nov 5 2013, 02:53 AM Post #8
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	Avo and Cado are almost certainly being compared to Freeza's most-suppressed "first" form. That's the only form that 99.9999999% of the universe's population knew about, for one. Plus we can retroactively assume thanks to Battle of Gods that if even Goku and Vegeta aren't stronger than 100% Freeza in base a full 2 years after "Heya!" happened, then the two kids sure as heck aren't going to be able to slap around someone on that level.



lazerbem	Nov 5 2013, 02:55 AM Post #9
Posts: 10,662 Group: Forum Moderator Member #10,435 Joined: November 1, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Asura's Wrath(it counts) What Browser do you use? Google Chrome	Kaboom Nov 5 2013, 02:53 AM Avo and Cado are almost certainly being compared to Freeza's most-suppressed "first" form. That's the only form that 99.9999999% of the universe's population knew about, for one. Plus we can retroactively assume thanks to Battle of Gods that if even Goku and Vegeta aren't stronger than 100% Freeza in base a full 2 years after "Heya!" happened, then the two kids sure as heck aren't going to be able to slap around someone on that level. Making everyone so weak is insane, let's just ignore the "Tarble is a pain" quote and put Abo and Cado at 100% Frieza level, alright?
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+ Kaboom	Nov 5 2013, 03:09 AM Post #10
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	I prefer not to, but if you do, more power to you.



lunar2	Nov 5 2013, 03:16 AM Post #11
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	Kaboom Nov 5 2013, 02:53 AM Avo and Cado are almost certainly being compared to Freeza's most-suppressed "first" form. That's the only form that 99.9999999% of the universe's population knew about, for one. Plus we can retroactively assume thanks to Battle of Gods that if even Goku and Vegeta aren't stronger than 100% Freeza in base a full 2 years after "Heya!" happened, then the two kids sure as heck aren't going to be able to slap around someone on that level. luckily, battle of gods doesn't state that base goku and frieza are less powerful than frieza. at best, it states that goku is physically weaker than frieza, but more likely, bills was simply taunting goku to get him to fight. goku wasn't even powered up, so how would bills know goku's full base power, anyway?
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~~King Kakarot~~	Nov 5 2013, 03:16 AM Post #12
Posts: 2,437 Group: Suspended Member #10,181 Joined: September 15, 2013 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga db	abo and cado cannot be first form freiza level that makes absolutely no sense for the kids to be struggling against them they are probably final form level



+ Kaboom	Nov 5 2013, 03:22 AM Post #13
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	The line from Battle of Gods sure as heck does suggest that base Goku is still weaker than Freeza. Feel free to weasel around it for your own sake if you want, but don't try to call foul on it to discredit the opinion of someone who does believe it. The kids were only having trouble because they'd been lazy the past 2 years and were extremely rusty. Once they got some coaching from Gohan and Goku, they turned the tables and kicked Avo and Cado's butts. Edited by Kaboom, Nov 5 2013, 03:24 AM.



~~King Kakarot~~	Nov 5 2013, 03:28 AM Post #14
Posts: 2,437 Group: Suspended Member #10,181 Joined: September 15, 2013 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? google chrome Favourite Manga db	Kaio says " That is correct. You are well informed " According Kaio, Bills is well informed on what? In Goku can powering up and become Super Saiyan or that he doesn't think Goku could beat Freeza as he is now? According to the order of the statements, I think Kaio agree with " Goku can powering up and become Super Saiya-jin " and Goku doesn't argue because that's true ( become SSJ ).



* Crashbreaka	Nov 5 2013, 03:48 AM Post #15
Captain Oblivious Posts: 6,888 Group: Retired Staff Member #7,771 Joined: June 14, 2012 Gender Male Country New Zealand Favourite Anime Onepunch-Man, Gurren Lagann What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Seven Deadly Sins, Food Wars, Onepunch-Man	Toriyama said that the manga version of Yo! Son Goku was better than his own. Take from that what you will. Personally I prefer to explain off the whole Bills quote as Goku being suppressed or some sutin like that. I can't see him walking around at full power all the time, especially since even in the special Goku was naturally suppressed. It's easier to have everything fit with a little explanation than go with stuff that just doesn't fit (although I guess that depends on how you interpret the Buu Saga stuff too).



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