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Goku vs Incredible Hulk
Topic Started: Nov 4 2013, 01:11 AM (5,587 Views)
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Just a topic so I can post elsewhere, but i'm also interested in who you think could possibly win this. I'm going with Goku, SSJ and up, hes just to fast for the Hulk to possibly hit.
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wtf is this goku wins in his base from the freiza saga alone no need for his other ssj forms Goku punhes will hurt him as well as his blasts that are far above planet level not too mention Hulk would never catch him
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If you give Hulk anger you should give Goku anger too at the same level. Like how when Krillin died in DB. Freeza would be a bad example since he wanted to change Freeza.

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Nov 5 2013, 09:52 PM
If you give Hulk anger you should give Goku anger too at the same level. Like how when Krillin died in DB. Freeza would be a bad example since he wanted to change Freeza.
Goku's anger supply only gives him a finite amount of power increase though. Hulk's is "virtually limitless" as stated by The Beyonder himself.

besides, Hulk's power comes from his anger. That is proven fact. Goku's does not, so why give him limitless anger power?

Edit: Having the capability to destroy a planet through condensed strikes is nothing compared to a Hulk (pun intended) who takes strikes and defeats a guy who's power is the equivalent of a million supernovas.
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No DB character ever can rip a planet apart with their fists that's just not how it works.

Just because they can blow a planet up easily with energy attacks doesn't mean they can do the same thing just as easily with a punch or a kick, if that was the case energy attacks would be completely redundant and every time fists clashed the planet in question would go BOOM.

Superman can blow up a planet with a fist because it's not just a simple punch he can vibrate his fist and increase it's mass so that it hits with like a bajillion tons of force, it's completely different.


Hulk has literally held two tectonic plates a planet blowing up together to stop it from being destroyed.
Name a similar pure physical strength feat from any DB character.


The Hulks power just goes on forever, it has no limits.
Goku has many limitations that he absolutely can not perpetually overcome, unless you want to go change the OP and give Goku immortality and regen. Which just proves Goku can't win without what-if enhancements.
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i swear i'm losing some brain cell's in this thread

Hulk stands no chance here he could never dream of catching Goku n his base form alone all goku has to do is spam multi planet buster attacks at hulk which WILL ko him
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I don't think Goku has much of an argument (discounting fan-based scaling here, I just don't roll with that) other than maybe his ki blasts. Didn't Hulk nonchalantly tank the Human Torch going supernova?
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Which would even kill Broly.


I'm not sure why people don't understand what unlimited strength entails.
If Goku starts at level 100 and Hulk starts at one Hulk rages his way up to 100 and continues as necessary until he's at level 1000 and can one shot Goku with his eyelid.

That's basically how it works.


You can only beat the Hulk if you have similar powers to him, absolute powers(like a magical one hit kill thing) or a power that can banish people to another dimension/time/reality etc

Goku has none of those.
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Nov 5 2013, 10:24 PM
No DB character ever can rip a planet apart with their fists that's just not how it works.

Just because they can blow a planet up easily with energy attacks doesn't mean they can do the same thing just as easily with a punch or a kick, if that was the case energy attacks would be completely redundant and every time fists clashed the planet in question would go BOOM.

Superman can blow up a planet with a fist because it's not just a simple punch he can vibrate his fist and increase it's mass so that it hits with like a bajillion tons of force, it's completely different.


Hulk has literally held two tectonic plates a planet blowing up together to stop it from being destroyed.
Name a similar pure physical strength feat from any DB character.


The Hulks power just goes on forever, it has no limits.
Goku has many limitations that he absolutely can not perpetually overcome, unless you want to go change the OP and give Goku immortality and regen. Which just proves Goku can't win without what-if enhancements.
Did you not consider anything I wrote before about their punching force? What do you mean that's not how it works? That's ridiculous. Sure it sounds far fetched but after battle of gods confirming that feat it shouldn't be too hard to believe anymore. You don't have to worry about the planet going boom whenever two fists hit each other because things like that don't have to apply. When dbz characters fly they undoubtedly break the sound barrier but there is no sonic boom is there? There energy attacks do not become redundant because 1. They are ranged attacks and 2. They still cause much more damage than there fists can. I wasn't referring to supermans infinite mass punch. I'm referring to his normal punches. He has said it himself that on the defensive he has continuesly thrown punches that can shatter small planets. I admit lifting, pulling and pushing is where goku cannot compare to the hulk. But prove to me that goku can't shatter a planet with his punches. Being able to lift something heavy has nothing to do with striking force. There is nothing in the series that suggests that he can't.
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Nov 5 2013, 10:05 PM
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Nov 5 2013, 09:52 PM
If you give Hulk anger you should give Goku anger too at the same level. Like how when Krillin died in DB. Freeza would be a bad example since he wanted to change Freeza.
Goku's anger supply only gives him a finite amount of power increase though. Hulk's is "virtually limitless" as stated by The Beyonder himself.

besides, Hulk's power comes from his anger. That is proven fact. Goku's does not, so why give him limitless anger power?

Edit: Having the capability to destroy a planet through condensed strikes is nothing compared to a Hulk (pun intended) who takes strikes and defeats a guy who's power is the equivalent of a million supernovas.
I wasn't taking sides of who would win since I'm not sure. All I'm saying is using Goku's personality of not going for the 1 hit ko is same as Hulk being a good guy and they wouldn't fight each other. It's not fair for Hulk going for the kill while Goku isn't.

An example scenario that's fair is Hulk will lose his family if he lose while Goku would lose his family if he lost. An unfair example is that Hulk is going to lose his family if he lost and Goku is fighting for fun.

Also at Beyonder's statement, I'm pretty sure it meant unlimited physical strength, not God style strength like reality writing and time control.

Again I still am not sure who would win, but I think SSJG Goku has a better chance. He should be able to obliterate all his atoms in a single full power blast (potentially galaxy busting if full powered) with the combination of IT Kamehameha. If not then SSJ4 Goku would be able to do it.

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Nov 5 2013, 11:30 PM
Did you not consider anything I wrote before about their punching force? What do you mean that's not how it works? That's ridiculous. Sure it sounds far fetched but after battle of gods confirming that feat it shouldn't be too hard to believe anymore. You don't have to worry about the planet going boom whenever two fists hit each other because things like that don't have to apply. When dbz characters fly they undoubtedly break the sound barrier but there is no sonic boom is there? There energy attacks do not become redundant because 1. They are ranged attacks and 2. They still cause much more damage than there fists can. I wasn't referring to supermans infinite mass punch. I'm referring to his normal punches. He has said it himself that on the defensive he has continuesly thrown punches that can shatter small planets. I admit lifting, pulling and pushing is where goku cannot compare to the hulk. But prove to me that goku can't shatter a planet with his punches. Being able to lift something heavy has nothing to do with striking force. There is nothing in the series that suggests that he can't.
Ok Goku could obliterate a planet with punches but it would take him forever he would have to fly round and strategically go nuts at it, he couldn't do it with one punch.


There's no sonic boom or anything like that because the series just isn't as detailed as comics, no thought is put in to the physics of things with DB that much is fairly clear.
As far as I can see their strength is purely energy based almost, it does mainly work for striking but not because they're strong but because the amount of energy packed in to a fist adds the strength to it.

Look at Goku struggling with the 40 ton weights in base, he's using his energy to propel himself there, as he has no footing obviously,
And then when he amplifies his energy he becomes able to propel his limbs with energy far more effectively, which means that their body doesn't really get stronger just their energy.

Like if you tie a rope round a ball and swing it around that's base and then you fill the ball with water, it's not changing anything about the ball but adding more power to it, transforming. Water being energy.
That's how I see it.

So 40 tons is all his energy is capable of lifting in base x 50 for SSj = 2000 x 2 = SSj2 4000 and then whatever you have SSj3 4 and God multipliers at.
It doesn't really come anywhere close to how many tons the Hulk can lift.

Their striking strength will be more than their lifting but then so is Hulks, if his lifting is higher so is his striking.


If they could pack all their energy in to their fist for some kind of super dense punch they could probably wreck a planet and/or the Hulk but nobody ever displays that kind of ability.
Unless that's what Dragon Fist is but if that was the case then it would do way more damage.
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Nov 5 2013, 11:30 PM
Did you not consider anything I wrote before about their punching force? What do you mean that's not how it works? That's ridiculous. Sure it sounds far fetched but after battle of gods confirming that feat it shouldn't be too hard to believe anymore. You don't have to worry about the planet going boom whenever two fists hit each other because things like that don't have to apply. When dbz characters fly they undoubtedly break the sound barrier but there is no sonic boom is there? There energy attacks do not become redundant because 1. They are ranged attacks and 2. They still cause much more damage than there fists can. I wasn't referring to supermans infinite mass punch. I'm referring to his normal punches. He has said it himself that on the defensive he has continuesly thrown punches that can shatter small planets. I admit lifting, pulling and pushing is where goku cannot compare to the hulk. But prove to me that goku can't shatter a planet with his punches. Being able to lift something heavy has nothing to do with striking force. There is nothing in the series that suggests that he can't.
Ok Goku could obliterate a planet with punches but it would take him forever he would have to fly round and strategically go nuts at it, he couldn't do it with one punch.


There's no sonic boom or anything like that because the series just isn't as detailed as comics, no thought is put in to the physics of things with DB that much is fairly clear.
As far as I can see their strength is purely energy based almost, it does mainly work for striking but not because they're strong but because the amount of energy packed in to a fist adds the strength to it.

Look at Goku struggling with the 40 ton weights in base, he's using his energy to propel himself there, as he has no footing obviously,
And then when he amplifies his energy he becomes able to propel his limbs with energy far more effectively, which means that their body doesn't really get stronger just their energy.

Like if you tie a rope round a ball and swing it around that's base and then you fill the ball with water, it's not changing anything about the ball but adding more power to it, transforming. Water being energy.
That's how I see it.

So 40 tons is all his energy is capable of lifting in base x 50 for SSj = 2000 x 2 = SSj2 4000 and then whatever you have SSj3 4 and God multipliers at.
It doesn't really come anywhere close to how many tons the Hulk can lift.

Their striking strength will be more than their lifting but then so is Hulks, if his lifting is higher so is his striking.


If they could pack all their energy in to their fist for some kind of super dense punch they could probably wreck a planet and/or the Hulk but nobody ever displays that kind of ability.
Unless that's what Dragon Fist is but if that was the case then it would do way more damage.
He can shatter a planet with one punch and I already proved that earlier. I've asked you before to prove me wrong and you haven't even tried yet. You just keep saying no he can't. Yes generally people can punch with more force than they can lift but just because hulk can lift more than goku doesn't mean he can punch harder. Thats like saying since i lift more than a professional boxer, i should be able to punch harder too because the rule is that you punch with more force than you can lift. No, that's not how it works. Maybe hulk can punch harder than goku, idk. But the reasoning you are saying is wrong either way. The speed of the punch needs to be taken into account too and hulk doesn't have any compared to goku atleast. Goku's speed is what makes up for the mass he lacks compared to the hulk. Manipulating ki into a single point or expanding has been mentioned in the series before too. They even did it with their punches against coolers robots. Why don't you go back to what I wrote earlier and actually take into consideration what I was saying
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If what the Beyonder said only related to physical strength, then Hulk's durability wouldn't increase...which it obviously does.

Sorry it seemed like you were siding with Goku on this one.

I don't see what's so hard to concieve of Hulk beating Goku, his feats and statements have been presented. All of which outshine anything Goku has done. It doesn't take a rocket scientist to figure out Goku is going to lose here.

Hulk will be angry, i'm sure he'd accidentally kill Goku while in a fit of rage, while Goku would be crapping himself over Hulk's power.
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Nov 5 2013, 11:25 PM
Which would even kill Broly.


I'm not sure why people don't understand what unlimited strength entails.
If Goku starts at level 100 and Hulk starts at one Hulk rages his way up to 100 and continues as necessary until he's at level 1000 and can one shot Goku with his eyelid.

That's basically how it works.


You can only beat the Hulk if you have similar powers to him, absolute powers(like a magical one hit kill thing) or a power that can banish people to another dimension/time/reality etc

Goku has none of those.
So hulk is the strongest fictional character expect Omnipotents right?not happening also if he had that so called"infinite strenght"then Superman or no one in existence could tank it I mean Co on Pre crisis Suoerman tanked it if it was infinite then Supermans head would get ripped off also Goku has ki attakxa capable of Destroying whole solar systems and possible galaxy lmao there Steinking strenght is above planetary to at SSj I mean co on now if it was t for this statement about infinite strenght which is not infinite unless you believe Superman is an omnipotenta at pre crisis then you're right
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Which would even kill Broly.


I'm not sure why people don't understand what unlimited strength entails.
If Goku starts at level 100 and Hulk starts at one Hulk rages his way up to 100 and continues as necessary until he's at level 1000 and can one shot Goku with his eyelid.

That's basically how it works.


You can only beat the Hulk if you have similar powers to him, absolute powers(like a magical one hit kill thing) or a power that can banish people to another dimension/time/reality etc

Goku has none of those.
So hulk is the strongest fictional character expect Omnipotents right?not happening also if he had that so called"infinite strenght"then Superman or no one in existence could tank it I mean Co on Pre crisis Suoerman tanked it if it was infinite then Supermans head would get ripped off also Goku has ki attakxa capable of Destroying whole solar systems and possible galaxy lmao there Steinking strenght is above planetary to at SSj I mean co on now if it was t for this statement about infinite strenght which is not infinite unless you believe Superman is an omnipotenta at pre crisis then you're right
The example you're using (The Superman tanking Hulk) is from a non canon crossover, thus it holds no grounds in this debate.

Hulk isn't even nigh omnipotent. He has no limits yes, but that power can only be brought out little by little by his anger. He can still be killed by soul stealers/ Masters of time manipulation/ Dimension controllers/

Unless you have something canon that contradicts THE FRICKIN Beyonder's statement, then it still stands. Goku stands no chance against Hulk unless for some poor reason you have Hulk starting off piss weak
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Yeah you're saying Goku is gonna late that beast been 100% angry and waiting to have I finite strenght right that's BS Goku would right away discover the amazing advantge Hulks had he will go SSj God and would murder Hulk before he's power outskirts he's own and pou t still stands infinite is always infinite so bp according to you Hulk can bust a universe with a ounce like Beyonder said and if we take quotes right then Janemba is a universe buster hyperboles are always possible
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