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| Why didn't King Kai teach other z Fighters Kaioken? | |
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| Tweet Topic Started: Oct 28 2013, 02:41 PM (10,319 Views) | |
| + Steve | Oct 28 2013, 02:41 PM Post #1 |
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Seriously, dude is an a*****. Imagine how big a help Kaioken would have been in the Frieza Saga? For Piccolo that is, he was easily level with his second form and then weaker than the third, if he even had Kaioken x5 he could have ended that fight like instantly. Piccolo regenerates, it's like the perfect technique for him. And what of Tien(I know Emmeth talked about this) Yamcha and Krillin had it? They could have actually helped against the androids, again Piccolo, he could easily have handled #20 and #19 with it and certainly could have beat #17 using it as well as Cell. Why didn't Cell have it either actually........................... 0__________________0 I'm not sure how people can call DB the greatest series ever with all the stupid logic fails like this, it is a really really dumb series when you break it down. |
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Oct 28 2013, 02:48 PM Post #2 |
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Not everyone was capable of learning or handling it. Goku was the special case who was able to handle it without breaking himself in half. Kaio-Ken also requires mental abilities. Maybe the others didn't have what it took to learn it for themselves. Example: We know Yamcha and Chaozu are strong, but strong enough for Kaio-Ken? Maybe not. Ten and Piccolo too. |
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| + Pointer | Oct 28 2013, 02:54 PM Post #3 |
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gokus power level was 1000 at max when King kai taught him the technique I think the real answer is plot .....it is lame but thats the answer |
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| + Steve | Oct 28 2013, 03:09 PM Post #4 |
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Yeah you can explain away the reasons why Goku got it, but Piccolo should have been able to handle it too, for he is also an alien... He would have been an absolute tank if he had it. I think that would have better explained why he was on for taking #20 considering he's not a Saiyan it's odd how he got that powerful with no explanation, and then becoming the Nameless Namek once again...it wasn't that much of a boost really, nothing as major as going Super Saiyan. He could have been a lot weaker and held his own with Kaioken and then when he fused with Kami he could have got a more Super Saiyan-like boost, and then it could have been explained away that once you get around that level Kaioken is too much of a strain on your body. The only thing that would have harmed is Goku's Super Kaioken in the filler, big woop. |
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Oct 28 2013, 03:12 PM Post #5 |
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I agree with you, Steve.
Edited by Professor Gohan, Oct 28 2013, 03:36 PM.
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| bardock1990 | Oct 28 2013, 05:19 PM Post #6 |
 
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Plot, or rather not to steal the GOLDEN BOY GOKU's thunder. Only the Golden child, the one who gets all the glory named Goku could learn those techniques including IT, mind reading etc. 
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| lunar2 | Oct 28 2013, 05:34 PM Post #7 |
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piccolo was on king kai's planet for 1 week, dude. he didn't have time to learn it. tien stated he was going to take the gist of king kai's methods and use them to refine his own techniques. later he has the shin kikoho, the most ridiculously amped attack in the series. that's what happened to his kaioken lessons. yamcha and chiaotzu never fought after they died, so they had no reason to use the kaioken even if they had it. we can't say they didn't have it, just like we can't say for sure that they did. i'm sure king kai at least tried to teach it to them. |
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| + Pyrus | Oct 28 2013, 05:50 PM Post #8 |
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Cell probably could've done it, but who knows. I do know Tens***hands and the others didn't learn it, that's for sure, and I'm glad they didn't. It wouldn't have made them anymore relevant against anybody. The only person who would've benefited was Piccolo, but considering his plot boosts he didn't really need it either. |
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| lunar2 | Oct 28 2013, 05:52 PM Post #9 |
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i think the reason cell couldn't do it is because he only knew saiyan saga goku's skill level with it. meaning he could only safely do the kaioken with an ~8,000 pl. he's so much stronger than that that his skill level is simply inadequate to his power level. he'd blow himself up if he tried. |
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| 90sDBZ | Oct 28 2013, 06:02 PM Post #10 |
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Maybe Cell was designed to be in constant Kaioken. That would explain how he could be so strong immediately after hatching from his shell. And it would also explain how he got so strong from absorbing 17 and 18 who were much weaker than him and also how he was able to get soooo much stronger from his self-destruct zenkai.
Edited by 90sDBZ, Oct 28 2013, 06:04 PM.
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| lunar2 | Oct 28 2013, 06:42 PM Post #11 |
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actually, it doesn't explain any of those, because none of them need to be explained. when cell hatched the first time, he was probably about twice as strong as frieza (he had the dna of frieza and king cold, and his dna remembers power). he then absorbed a lot of people in the future. then he reverted to his larval stage, and then rematured. at this point, he'd be just as powerful as he was before reverting, since his cell's remember their former power. semicell is just imperfect cell + 17 + a small transformation boost (like going from second form icer to third form icer). perfect cell is semicell + 18 + a large transformation boost (3rd form icer to true form icer). his zenkai was just a normal sized zenkai. gohan wasn't multiple times his power, or anything. also, cell never displays the kaioken aura, so he never uses kaioken. |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Oct 28 2013, 10:01 PM Post #12 |
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The beat answer I have is plot wise but then again it could be explained a bit,King Kai said that only special people are about to Learn this tecknique like Goku so Imo perhaps that's something other than that maybe Piccolo was not for long there to master it and the others couldn't becuase they were not mentally ready 
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| Muyasuki | Oct 29 2013, 07:42 PM Post #13 |
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For what its worth, King Kai couldn't use the technique himself. Time (under a week) is the reason for Piccolo not using it (I have no doubt that, thanks to Namekian regeneration, Piccolo would have been utterly broken as a character with it). The others (Tien, Yamcha, Chiaotzu) were more than likely not able to finish the technique (same with the Spirit Bomb) in the same manner as Goku (*cough*plot*cough*) and were likely only able to, like King Kai, get aspects of the technique. Using this they probably incorporated elements of King Kai's techniques into their own. I have my own theory that Tien managed to incorporate elements of the Kaioken into his Tri-Beam and Yamcha was able to incorporate elements of the Spirit Bomb into his Spirit Ball. Of course, these are just theories that can't really be proved but I like them anyways. |
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| lunar2 | Oct 29 2013, 10:43 PM Post #14 |
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king kai actually could use the technique. he just couldn't master it. there's a difference. all the statements he made, however, implied that he did have some proficiency with the kaioken, and had some limited use for it. but not up to the full 2x normal power that goku was capable of using. |
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| ObsessiveFanBoy | Nov 1 2013, 03:24 AM Post #15 |
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Well according to the Daiz (#7 I believe), Tien does know the Kaioken. So it's very well possible that he learned it if you believe it. |
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