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A Question
Tweet Topic Started: Oct 27 2013, 06:17 PM (610 Views)
SSJ	Oct 27 2013, 06:17 PM Post #1
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	This is something I've been considering for awhile. Let's say we have a scenario of SSJ and SSJ 2 Goku fighting each other. They also have equal power levels. SSJ Goku: 100 SSJ 2 Goku: 100 Shouldn't SSJ 2 Goku take this 10/10 times? SSJ 2 is the superior form that is supposed to be much faster and more efficient, so wouldn't SSJ 2 Goku at the same power level be way faster?



~~Professor Gohan~~	Oct 27 2013, 06:20 PM Post #2
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Wouldn't SSJ2 have a larger strain on it as well? So would speed advantage(SSJ2) & less strain advantage(SSJ1) cancel each other out? Or something close to that?



+ Solid Snake	Oct 27 2013, 07:06 PM Post #3
滅Are you frightened? Posts: 8,961 Group: Elite Member Member #6,739 Joined: September 11, 2011 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragon ball, z, gt, Naruto & Shippuden, Bleach, Rosario + Vampire What Browser do you use? Kept you waiting huh? Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Naruto, and Bleach	I'm not even sure SSJ2 has a strain so noticeable like the unmastered SSJ form and SSJ3. Besides, I always viewed the SSJ2 state as a way to draw on some of your dormant power but with a multiplier. For me, SSJ3 in Z, is the full potential for any Saiyan, so using this I view SSJ2 to be a way to utilize a bit of that power. SSJ3 ~ Max: 100% full potential SSJ2 ~ 50% or less of full potential (Vegeta's a different case since he didn't achieve SSJ3 like Goku and Gotenks, to reach his full potential the way a Saiyan suppose to reach it and was instead corrupted) SSJ ~ 50x base That's my opinion anyway. Edited by Solid Snake, Oct 27 2013, 07:06 PM.
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+ Yusuke	Oct 27 2013, 07:19 PM Post #4
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	In that case, SSJ2 Goku would win due to having greater speed. The strain on SSJ2 isn't really that big.
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SSJ	Oct 27 2013, 07:23 PM Post #5
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	My concern comes from topics that are like: SSJ 2 Budokai Gohan vs SSJ Cell Games Goku equal powers. Shouldn't this be an automatic win for Gohan? The speed differences between SSJ and SSJ 2 are extremely noticeable.



+ Pointer	Oct 27 2013, 07:29 PM Post #6
... Posts: 7,062 Group: Elite Member Member #8,812 Joined: January 5, 2013 Gender Male	SuperSaiyan2 Oct 27 2013, 06:17 PM This is something I've been considering for awhile. Let's say we have a scenario of SSJ and SSJ 2 Goku fighting each other. They also have equal power levels. SSJ Goku: 100 SSJ 2 Goku: 100 Shouldn't SSJ 2 Goku take this 10/10 times? SSJ 2 is the superior form that is supposed to be much faster and more efficient, so wouldn't SSJ 2 Goku at the same power level be way faster? I think if they are equal powerwise their speed is equal too



SSJ	Oct 27 2013, 07:31 PM Post #7
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	La Fleur Oct 27 2013, 07:29 PM SuperSaiyan2 Oct 27 2013, 06:17 PM This is something I've been considering for awhile. Let's say we have a scenario of SSJ and SSJ 2 Goku fighting each other. They also have equal power levels. SSJ Goku: 100 SSJ 2 Goku: 100 Shouldn't SSJ 2 Goku take this 10/10 times? SSJ 2 is the superior form that is supposed to be much faster and more efficient, so wouldn't SSJ 2 Goku at the same power level be way faster? I think if they are equal powerwise their speed is equal too That is what my impression has been too for the last year. But still, doesn't the superior form also have superior speed?



+ Pyrus	Oct 27 2013, 07:49 PM Post #8
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Then what would be the point of topics like Super Saiyan Grade 3 Trunks vs Super Saiyan Vegeta if we assumed every attribute was equal? That'd just be a really buff Trunks against a less buff Vegeta. Edited by Pyrus, Oct 27 2013, 07:49 PM.
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+ Majin Vegeta	Oct 27 2013, 11:54 PM Post #9
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	I think if they are equal powerwise their speed is equal too[/quote]I was always under the impression that speed is something different than power but I read up in the manga that if power increases then so is speed strange... On topic yes I think SSj2 Goku would have win still its a superior form with much more speed than a normal SSj the strain of SSj2 is not big for me so SSj2 wins
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+ Emmeth	Oct 29 2013, 08:23 AM Post #10
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Goku and Goku fighting, equal power levels, will always be completely =. There would only be a difference if it was two different arcs. Goku's skill might be improved from Cell arc to Boo arc, for example. Shouldn't be a difference between the two saiyan forms unless you separate power and speed.
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ObsessiveFanBoy	Oct 29 2013, 01:23 PM Post #11
I am Always Right... Unless When I'm Wrong Posts: 613 Group: Member Member #9,710 Joined: July 5, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime DBZ, Pokemon, Yu-Gi-Oh, Medabots, Digimon, Cardcaptor Sakura What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga DBZ (only manga I've ever read)	I didn't even know SSJ 2 had a strain.
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+ Majin Vegeta	Oct 29 2013, 01:43 PM Post #12
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Metabee Oct 29 2013, 01:23 PM I didn't even know SSJ 2 had a strain. Well every SSj form has a strain including SSj2
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+ Kaboom	Oct 29 2013, 02:03 PM Post #13
Posts: 1,927 Group: Elite Member Member #9,984 Joined: August 24, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga One Punch Man	In the simplest terms, what really makes Super Saiyan 2 better than Super Saiyan 1 is that it's twice as strong and fast. But if two people are using different forms to reach the exact same level of power, then it won't matter. All other things being equal, Goku with a base power of 2 multiplied by 50 is going to fare just as well as Goku with a base power of 1 multiplied by 100, . The level of power is what matters most, not HOW that power is achieved. Actually, interestingly enough, if in your scenario Goku #1 was using Super Saiyan Full Power, then he'd be the one winning in the end, because Goku #2 will have more stress and be losing energy, assuming Super Saiyan 2 has those downsides like an un-mastered Super Saiyan 1 does.



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