Was the Buu saga the worst canon saga in your opinion?

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Was the Buu saga the worst canon saga in your opinion?
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KING_CROW	Oct 27 2013, 12:39 AM Post #46
Bow Down! Posts: 162 Group: Member Member #9,979 Joined: August 23, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Yeah I do think it was the worst saga, DBZ didn't really get better or worse as it went on in my opinion 'cause my favorite saga was the Cell\Android saga but my second favorite was the saiyan saga, and like I said I think the Buu saga was the worst. The only characters who mattered were Goku, Vegeta, and Gohan (and Goten and Trunks but only in their fused form), so basically the SJJs. Tien was the only other character that had his well earned time in the spotlight. There was always balance in the other sagas, examples - The 6 Z Fighters taking down the 6 Sabimen and inflicting some damage onto Nappa before Goku arrived, Piccolo saving Gohan's life from Nappa, Krillin and Gohan helping out a bit on Namek, Piccolo holding off Frieza and forcing him to transform into his 3rd form, Piccolo beating the s*** out of Gero, Tien holding back Cell, etc.



Saiyan Femme	Oct 27 2013, 03:13 AM Post #47
Posts: 1,683 Group: Member Member #8,569 Joined: November 17, 2012 Favourite Anime DBZ, Card Captor Sakura, Evangelion Favourite Manga Slam Dunk, Fushigi Yugi, Shaman King	Yes it was, especially coming after the Android/Cell saga which was the best. Of course there were several good things about it as well but I felt it was very unsatisfactory in many ways, such as -Gotenks ruining all the sense of danger and excitement -Piccolo being reduced to Gotenks' nanny -Gohan's huge build up only for him to disappear completely in the final dbz battle against the final dbz villain -Goku coming back to full spotlight after he had already supposedly passed on the torch -Vegeta falling so far behind in power in comparison to Goku & Gohan (don't tell me Goku SSJ2 = Vegeta SSJ2 because it only takes one second of SSJ3 to make that insignificant) The other sagas also had their problems here and there, but none of them leave me unsatisfied the way Buu saga does.



+ Pyrus	Oct 27 2013, 03:27 AM Post #48
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Femme, you speak a language only known to me.
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Ben	Oct 27 2013, 03:38 AM Post #49
Posts: 564 Group: Donator Member #10,230 Joined: September 20, 2013 Gender Not Specified What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Coolest Oct 26 2013, 11:22 PM Why is this forums obsession with the word canon? Why did you even need to use the word canon? My Lord. I'm pretty sure most people who were criticizing my argument based on "canon" meant non-manga, so I used the same term to keep it straight., I don't see how it's irrelevant, especially since I found several old threads where people claimed that the "bad air" line and the Genki Dama explanation weren't "canon", or in the manga, as well. As far as that goes, canon is a pretty standard term related to comics/anime/manga/cult tv series, if you want an easy way to start a flame war go ask X-Men fans about canon issues or X-Files fans about canon vs. Monster of the Week episodes. Edited by Ben, Oct 27 2013, 03:49 AM.



+ Yusuke	Oct 27 2013, 03:53 AM Post #50
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	I find most of the criticisms of the Buu Saga to be opinion based IMO. It's always something amongst the likes of "Gohan/Vegeta weren't the ones to kill Buu so thie saga sucks" or "The Buu Saga was too much like the Cell Saga". Maybe it sounds bad to you but that doesn't automatically make it bad. Some people don't want to see an anti-climatic ending like ~~Haxed~~ Mystic Gohan killing Super Buu or Vegeta killing Fat Buu with the Final Explosion. Now that would be a crappy ending. I guess i'm part of the small minority that liked the Buu Saga and how it ended.
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+ Emmeth	Oct 27 2013, 04:14 AM Post #51
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	The only time AT listened to fans, the Boo arc happened. I'm sure it's adored in Japan, but AT decieved us with his changes. Gohan should have been the real hero, end of story.
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Saiyan Femme	Oct 27 2013, 04:31 AM Post #52
Posts: 1,683 Group: Member Member #8,569 Joined: November 17, 2012 Favourite Anime DBZ, Card Captor Sakura, Evangelion Favourite Manga Slam Dunk, Fushigi Yugi, Shaman King	sm11211 Oct 27 2013, 03:53 AM I find most of the criticisms of the Buu Saga to be opinion based IMO. It's always something amongst the likes of "Gohan/Vegeta weren't the ones to kill Buu so thie saga sucks" or "The Buu Saga was too much like the Cell Saga". Maybe it sounds bad to you but that doesn't automatically make it bad. Some people don't want to see an anti-climatic ending like ~~Haxed~~ Mystic Gohan killing Super Buu or Vegeta killing Fat Buu with the Final Explosion. Now that would be a crappy ending. We don't know how those endings would have been like because they never happened. But it is almost impossible to make a perfectly good ending out of Goku coming back once again to save the day after he himself said he was leaving the job to the newer generation. Goku coming back to be the hero once again felt like The Simpsons releasing yet another season, why couldn't they quit while they were still great? why can't they percieve that their time is well over and done with? why must we still suffer their overused, exhausted, stale presence?



+ Yusuke	Oct 27 2013, 04:54 AM Post #53
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	@Emmeth Like I said before, it's just your opinion. Just because Gohan didn't become the main character doesn't mean it's a bad saga. Although the Gohan fanbase tries to claim that. And the whole fans pressuring AT to bring Goku back was just a rumor. AT decided to bring Goku back on his own will. @Saiyan Femme Just think about it though. Mystic Gohan easily killing Super Buu or Majin Vegeta killing Fat Buu? That would be anti-climatic as hell! That would give Buu Saga haters even more grounds to hate the saga. And I don't neccisarly agree with the Simpsons anaology. I personally feel that Goku is DB. Once you take him out of it, it's not DB anymore. It becomes a different show. Goku stale? I can use the stale argument as well. I personally think Gohan is as stale as hell with all of his hidden power plot devices. A character being "stale" is merly an opinion my friend.
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Saiyan Femme	Oct 27 2013, 05:54 AM Post #54
Posts: 1,683 Group: Member Member #8,569 Joined: November 17, 2012 Favourite Anime DBZ, Card Captor Sakura, Evangelion Favourite Manga Slam Dunk, Fushigi Yugi, Shaman King	sm11211 Oct 27 2013, 04:54 AM Like I said before, it's just your opinion. Just because Gohan didn't become the main character doesn't mean it's a bad saga. Although the Gohan fanbase tries to claim that. I'm the only big Gohan fan in here, all the rest in here that also think Buu saga didn't measure up to the rest of dbz have no significant Gohan bias Quote: Just think about it though. Mystic Gohan easily killing Super Buu or Majin Vegeta killing Fat Buu? That would be anti-climatic as hell! That would give Buu Saga haters even more grounds to hate the saga. Majin Vegeta killing Fat Buu wouldn't have been right because it was way too soon to be killing off the villain but Buu being killed by Gohan (or Gotenks if he wasn't so lame) or a combined effort with some of the characters living on Earth or some other fusion besides the ones we saw (or maybe even Vegetto) could have been great if done properly. Quote: Goku stale? I can use the stale argument as well. I personally think Gohan is as stale as hell with all of his hidden power plot devices. A character being "stale" is merly an opinion my friend. How else do you suggest people determine which is the best & worst saga other than opinions? Goku is stale as a hero because his peak had already been reached long ago, in Freeza saga to be exact. He had already reached "perfection" as a fighter and as a hero, there was no further development to be done in his character in those areas by the end of Freeza saga. So in the Cell saga he rightfully passed on the torch to the newer generation, he stepped down from his position as main hero to that of a mentor, passing on his knowledge and expertise, and being an essential key in training the new main hero. It was done greatly and that is one of the many reasons the Cell saga is so popular. It was stupid to see all of that thrown away last minute in the Buu saga and bringing back Goku who was already a "completed" character, when there was still some more growing to be done by Gohan, Vegeta (although to be fair he grew plenty in this saga), Piccolo and even the new characters Goten and little Trunks. Goku had already done the full circle, bringing him back to the spotlight was absolutely pointless and stale. It's perfectly valid to hate Gohan as a hero & main character, to each their own, but don't tell me you can't see how ridiculous it is for Goku to state repeatedly how he was gonna leave the fate of the Earth to the newer generation only to come back last minute out of nowhere to save the day once more. Tell me you find that much preferable to the possibility of Gohan being the hero because Gohan sucks/is haxed/boring/pointless/etc, but please do not tell me it makes perfect sense for Goku to come back when everything was perfectly set up for him to leave the throne. It really doesn't.



+ Emmeth	Oct 27 2013, 07:17 AM Post #55
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	sm11211 Oct 27 2013, 04:54 AM @Emmeth Like I said before, it's just your opinion. Just because Gohan didn't become the main character doesn't mean it's a bad saga. Although the Gohan fanbase tries to claim that. And the whole fans pressuring AT to bring Goku back was just a rumor. AT decided to bring Goku back on his own will. Can you prove it?
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+ Pyrus	Oct 27 2013, 07:23 AM Post #56
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Can you prove he was pressured? Or will you fall on "unconfirmed rumor"? Because then you might as well claim every other rumor out there is perfectly valid, like him being inspired to make Babidi after seeing a Discovery Channel documentary on rodents.
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+ Emmeth	Oct 27 2013, 07:27 AM Post #57
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	- Toriyama ends the Android Arc with Gohan as the hero. - Japan loves Goku. They want Goku to be the hero. - Suddenly, Gohan isn't "hero material". Goku gets to be the hero again, against a way weaker enemy. For me, those are clear signs that he was "pressured".
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+ Pyrus	Oct 27 2013, 07:32 AM Post #58
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	That isn't proof in the court of law. That is motive, sir!
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+ Emmeth	Oct 27 2013, 07:34 AM Post #59
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	Darth Pyrus Oct 27 2013, 07:32 AM That isn't proof in the court of law. That is motive, sir! Even so, it is more than anyone else has. It's extremely strange though. If Toriyama did it on his own accord, did he just develop Gohan in the wrong direction? Because it's clear to me, at the beginning of the Boo Arc, that Gohan is supposed to be the new hero. A book is even named "The New Hero".
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+ Pyrus	Oct 27 2013, 07:37 AM Post #60
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Lack of proof isn't a gateway for the hellions to invade, Watson. It's a gateway for more injustice and lies. Please, be aware of that, for your next claim is mighty understandable but still underfunded by the proof you've provided...which is, as I've pointed out, not actually proof but a string of coherent occurrences that produce the motive. Without the actual set of proof, the motive is merely an accusation.
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