Was the Buu saga the worst canon saga in your opinion?

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Was the Buu saga the worst canon saga in your opinion?
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Ben	Oct 25 2013, 11:03 PM Post #31
Posts: 564 Group: Donator Member #10,230 Joined: September 20, 2013 Gender Not Specified What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Vegeta SSj4 Oct 25 2013, 10:23 PM Ok I'll be waiting to continue This my friend the last three ones however are reasonable to not take them as plotholes but its all based in what you think I found what I was referencing exactly, it's still open to interpretation though. On page 4 of Chapter 238, Vegeta dodges the Genki Dama. Goku then tells Gohan to bounce it back at him and says something like "You can deflect it if you have pure ki". Where I'm getting in trouble here is that I only have the Japanese Tankoban, and I haven't translated much of anything since I was in college almost 5 years ago, maybe someone would check their Viz edition for me to clear it up. Anyway, Gohan then is pushed backwards by it (much like Buu, but for only one panel) and then slings it at Vegeta, who is powerless against it. So I do stand by that plot hole.



NavonWise	Oct 25 2013, 11:08 PM Post #32
Realist Rapper Alive Posts: 1,889 Group: Member Member #6,948 Joined: November 5, 2011 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	It's exactly what he says on Viz. Goku: Gohan!! You don't have evil chi! You can bounce it back!
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+ Pyrus	Oct 26 2013, 01:47 AM Post #33
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Ja, from what I see with my buttery eyes, none of those are plot holes. Pure Boobs didn't deflect the Genki-Dama; he was stuck holding it, which would've resulted in a stalemate eventually.
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* Ketchup Revenge	Oct 26 2013, 03:29 AM Post #34
"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!" Posts: 6,083 Group: Retired Forum Moderator Member #9,012 Joined: February 9, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Chile Favourite Anime FMA: Brotherhood, Dragon Ball, Samurai Champloo, Soul Eater, Assassination Classroom What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Fullmetal Alchemist, Assassination Classroom, Deadman Wonderland	I find the saga weird when compared to the rest of the series, but not necessarily bad. The odd thing about it is that it brings back the comedy and non-sensical situations of the earlier canon series, but at the same time, combines it with the high-speed ki based fighting element that was introduced in the Saiyan and Freeza Saga. For example, Gotenks was a complete joke.
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ObsessiveFanBoy	Oct 26 2013, 03:32 AM Post #35
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SSJ	Oct 26 2013, 03:55 AM Post #36
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Metabee Oct 26 2013, 03:32 AM No. But I think it was the one that contained the most filler. Citation please.



+ Pyrus	Oct 26 2013, 04:01 AM Post #37
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	No! I LOVE THE BOOB SAGA! Faced. Now let me set some love in motion with a good waffle drizzled in a little senzu syrup. The boo saga was great, mates. Don't believe me? Just watch it. I know you'll agree after it's all said and done. No plot holes, no über seriousness, just some good buttkicking!
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+ Emmeth	Oct 26 2013, 05:24 AM Post #38
I ♥ Yoeri Posts: 20,075 Group: Legend Member #8,985 Joined: February 7, 2013 Country Japan	NavonWise Oct 25 2013, 07:13 PM Emmeth Oct 25 2013, 05:06 PM NavonWise Oct 25 2013, 05:02 PM I'm curious as to what made the Buu saga's story so horrible. People say it's not on par with this and that but I never see an explanation or comparison. Oh and in no way I'm saying it was the best saga of all time, just wondering what made it's story so horrible. I find it to be a weak copy of the Cell arc. There are unnecessary conflicts, unnecessary techniques and unnecessary transformations. There are also a few plotholes to mention. Weak copy of the Cell saga? If you don't mind, explain this and your reasons a bit more. Every thing after that will just be your opinion, and I can't debate that because who am I to say what you should find necessary or unnecessary lol I mean I can easily say those techniques and transformations were necessary. I'll try. Unnecessary conflicts: * Everything involving Pure Boo * Gotenks vs Super Boo Unnecessary techniques: * Mainly just the Fusion Dance. It just introduces a whole new comples thing that wasn't needed. * Anything Gotenks spits out. Unnecessary transformations: * All versions of Super Boo. Such a waste of effort. * Mystic Gohan, I guess. Even though I like this version of Gohan, wouldn't it be better to just boost him up tremendously and make him go SSJ3 for the final battle against Gotenks-Boo? The way all the transformations was introduced, it felt like AT was trying to copy the Cell arc. Everybody had to become lots stronger to face the new enemy, and in the Cell arc, they had the RoSaT. In Boo arc they had Fusions and Elder Kai. Also, the comedy just doesn't live up to the early days of DB, because I feel like they tried to copy Kid Goku by creating Goten. I like Goten, but he's not Kid Goku.
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Ben	Oct 26 2013, 07:44 AM Post #39
Posts: 564 Group: Donator Member #10,230 Joined: September 20, 2013 Gender Not Specified What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Going back to something else VegetaSSJ4 said: Quote: 2)Bad air was just stupid fun quote the true explanation can be gold becuase of Majin,if you remember later on Goku suggest fusion dance which we know its not Majic and it would not affect the fusion at all meaning there Potara fusion ended because of Majin Buus Majic otherwise Gogeta Wouod have hypothetically been dissolved to and Goku wipouod never even mention it One thing I wanted to clear up for anyone else who wants to refernce it the next time a thread like this comes up, the remark Vegeta makes about bad air isn't a FUNi line. I was trying to google which chapter that was, and someone posted the same thing on the Kanzenshuu boards, and no one questioned it. If you check page 7 of the 4th chapter in Volume 42, Vegetto defuses. Goku asks Vegeta what happened in the first panel, and he says he's not sure. Then in the final panel, Goku speculates it was because of bad air. So that is canon, for better or worse. Someone with the Viz volumes could post a better translation than my lame attempt, though. Also, I don't mean to harp on the plot holes, honestly they're they least of my gripes with the Buu saga, but I've seen this misconception brought up a bunch (that the bad air thing was a FUNi line only) so I wanted to post that. Quote: * All versions of Super Boo. Such a waste of effort. * Mystic Gohan, I guess. Even though I like this version of Gohan, wouldn't it be better to just boost him up tremendously and make him go SSJ3 for the final battle against Gotenks-Boo? I know, right? Not to mention all that build up for Mystic Gohan, and we never even get to see him fight a complete battle. Quote: I find the saga weird when compared to the rest of the series, but not necessarily bad. The odd thing about it is that it brings back the comedy and non-sensical situations of the earlier canon series, but at the same time, combines it with the high-speed ki based fighting element that was introduced in the Saiyan and Freeza Saga. You summed up what I was trying to say exactly. I would have been fine if he had taken it seriously, a la Cell and Freeza, or just did an ending reminscent of early Dragon Ball (like he was doing with Gohan in high school and the Great Saiyaman stuff). Something about that mix just doesn't sit right with me, Vegetto being able to fight as an inanimate piece of coffee candy is another aspect of that which really bugged me. Edited by Ben, Oct 26 2013, 08:04 AM.



+ Majin Vegeta	Oct 26 2013, 12:24 PM Post #40
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+ miguelnuva	Oct 26 2013, 09:51 PM Post #41
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	Saying the Buu arc was the worst arc for me I would feel another word should be used because the worst arc in DBZ still is a pretty good time it's not like I would say I hate the Buu arc. Personally I prefer funimation's sagas because besides AT dropping the ball with Gohan I like the World Torument Saga and on of the Buu arc but hate the Great Saiyaman saga.
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+ Yusuke	Oct 26 2013, 10:08 PM Post #42
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	@Emmeth The Buu Saga is a copy of the Cell saga because of the power ups? By that logic, so was the Frieza Saga because of the constant Zenkai's as well as the King Piccolo Saga because of Goku getting a boost from the Ultra Divine Water. That's not a good excuse to hate on the saga.
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FamousBueller	Oct 26 2013, 10:58 PM Post #43
Super Asian Posts: 1,336 Group: Member Member #7,561 Joined: April 20, 2012 Favourite Anime dragonball z/gt	I think Buu was the best saga, better drawing, better everything but story wise Frieza Saga and battles Cell Saga



~~Coolest~~	Oct 26 2013, 11:22 PM Post #44
Posts: 1,304 Group: Banned Member #8,885 Joined: January 18, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Why is this forums obsession with the word canon? Why did you even need to use the word canon? My Lord. Anyway, no, I loved the Buu saga, it was great, especiallly the manga version of it. The Anime had some great moments though.



Barbossa	Oct 26 2013, 11:24 PM Post #45
Master o' War Posts: 607 Group: Member Member #10,176 Joined: September 14, 2013 Gender Not Specified Country Ireland Favourite Anime Madhouse's X-Men Anime What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball <3	In my mind, the Buu saga allows DBZ to truly come into a world of its own, before its canonical end. The Z Fighters have fought an awful lot, so much so that fighting battles now seem to be nothing new to them anyone. Thus, they can afford to act arrogantly in these waning years, dispense of seriousness and all pretence to tease an old deity with the promise of another's wife in return for a favour (you know what instance I'm talking about :P), despite the stakes never being as high. Now this magical demon from across the stars descends upon them threatening personal annihilation, manages to succeed at that, and what do Goku & Vegeta do when they face Kid Buu on the Elder Kai's planet? They have a game of rock-paper-scissors to decide who fights the demon first. It was funny, it was moving. It felt like a good old sloppy lovesong for all of Dragon Ball past. Sure, it is riddled with flaws and copious amounts of incorrect info and such, but it is truly rare to find a series that is both enjoyable and without flaw. And the Buu saga shall be one of my favourite times in any series to date.
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