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I actually like Buu saga. It's my second favourite saga in manga and filler.

Ben

Oct 25 2013, 08:35 PM

As someone who really dislikes the Buu saga, I'll try and give an explanation of why (even though I've done it about 10 times already ). Anyway, I have read the manga, and I think Toriyama got really lazy with his artwork by the end, so I dislike it based on that first and foremost. Then, I dislike the ending and the introduction of Uub (who is totally unnecessary IMHO) and throwing out the window of all that set up of Gohan that began from the Raditz introduction onwards. Then you add in the (even for DB) high number of plotholes, and the unnecessary amount of Buu forms, and that does it for me. I wouldn't say it's bad, but it's not up to the quality of the rest of the series or manga. I'm probably in the minority, but I was hoping Kai would just stop with the Cell saga as they originally planned to.

NavonWise

Oct 25 2013, 09:27 PM

Ben

Oct 25 2013, 08:35 PM

As someone who really dislikes the Buu saga, I'll try and give an explanation of why (even though I've done it about 10 times already ). Anyway, I have read the manga, and I think Toriyama got really lazy with his artwork by the end, so I dislike it based on that first and foremost. Then, I dislike the ending and the introduction of Uub (who is totally unnecessary IMHO) and throwing out the window of all that set up of Gohan that began from the Raditz introduction onwards. Then you add in the (even for DB) high number of plotholes, and the unnecessary amount of Buu forms, and that does it for me. I wouldn't say it's bad, but it's not up to the quality of the rest of the series or manga. I'm probably in the minority, but I was hoping Kai would just stop with the Cell saga as they originally planned to.

Ok, so why do you think it was unnecessary to introduce Uub? And even if it was, how does it hurt the story?
Well it's already established that Gohan did not like fighting, at all. We know he has the most potential in the series, but he's just not into it like Goku.
What are these plotholes, if you don't mind me asking.

Ben

Oct 25 2013, 09:53 PM

NavonWise

Oct 25 2013, 09:27 PM

Ben

Oct 25 2013, 08:35 PM

As someone who really dislikes the Buu saga, I'll try and give an explanation of why (even though I've done it about 10 times already ). Anyway, I have read the manga, and I think Toriyama got really lazy with his artwork by the end, so I dislike it based on that first and foremost. Then, I dislike the ending and the introduction of Uub (who is totally unnecessary IMHO) and throwing out the window of all that set up of Gohan that began from the Raditz introduction onwards. Then you add in the (even for DB) high number of plotholes, and the unnecessary amount of Buu forms, and that does it for me. I wouldn't say it's bad, but it's not up to the quality of the rest of the series or manga. I'm probably in the minority, but I was hoping Kai would just stop with the Cell saga as they originally planned to.

Ok, so why do you think it was unnecessary to introduce Uub? And even if it was, how does it hurt the story?
Well it's already established that Gohan did not like fighting, at all. We know he has the most potential in the series, but he's just not into it like Goku.
What are these plotholes, if you don't mind me asking.

As far as Uub goes, there's no reason for him. He's thrown in at the end with no plot development, even though there were a ton of characters who would have been better suited. If you like him, that's your opinion and that's cool, I don't.

As for the plotholes, there are a lot and there was a thread listing most of them awhile back if you search, but I'll list the ones that bug me the most:
1. The Genki Dama can't be blocked by anyone who isn't pure of heart, yet Buu holds it up, requiring everyone to give Goku their ki.
2. After it's stated the Potara are permanent, Vegeta and Goku are able to separate due to "bad air" inside of Buu.
3. It was stated previously in the series that only 2 people could go into the RoST, but then four people are able to for some reason.
4. Buu punching a hole in a dimension was never explained, it just happened and was a total macgufin.
5. The Namek Dragon Balls get a power up allowing them to grant three wishes AND bring back people who have been brought back once before. They just get a "power up".

Vegeta SSj4

Oct 25 2013, 09:58 PM

Ben

Oct 25 2013, 09:53 PM

NavonWise

Oct 25 2013, 09:27 PM

Ben

Oct 25 2013, 08:35 PM

As someone who really dislikes the Buu saga, I'll try and give an explanation of why (even though I've done it about 10 times already ). Anyway, I have read the manga, and I think Toriyama got really lazy with his artwork by the end, so I dislike it based on that first and foremost. Then, I dislike the ending and the introduction of Uub (who is totally unnecessary IMHO) and throwing out the window of all that set up of Gohan that began from the Raditz introduction onwards. Then you add in the (even for DB) high number of plotholes, and the unnecessary amount of Buu forms, and that does it for me. I wouldn't say it's bad, but it's not up to the quality of the rest of the series or manga. I'm probably in the minority, but I was hoping Kai would just stop with the Cell saga as they originally planned to.

Ok, so why do you think it was unnecessary to introduce Uub? And even if it was, how does it hurt the story?
Well it's already established that Gohan did not like fighting, at all. We know he has the most potential in the series, but he's just not into it like Goku.
What are these plotholes, if you don't mind me asking.

As far as Uub goes, there's no reason for him. He's thrown in at the end with no plot development, even though there were a ton of characters who would have been better suited. If you like him, that's your opinion and that's cool, I don't.

As for the plotholes, there are a lot and there was a thread listing most of them awhile back if you search, but I'll list the ones that bug me the most:
1. The Genki Dama can't be blocked by anyone who isn't pure of heart, yet Buu holds it up, requiring everyone to give Goku their ki.
2. After it's stated the Potara are permanent, Vegeta and Goku are able to separate due to "bad air" inside of Buu.
3. It was stated previously in the series that only 2 people could go into the RoST, but then four people are able to for some reason.
4. Buu punching a hole in a dimension was never explained, it just happened and was a total macgufin.
5. The Namek Dragon Balls get a power up allowing them to grant three wishes AND bring back people who have been brought back once before. They just get a "power up".

Lol I'm getting into this one
1)Who's says that Genki da a can't be blocked?Frieza was able to hold it to remember?
2)Its actually making sense Buus body is bike up by Majic and Potara is the same the "Majic"inside of Buus body cost the fusion to wore off
3)It was never stated that if there are 4 people on the chamber its going go wxplode or something
4)that's becuase of Super Buus amazing power its not a plothole
5)They are the ones who made the DragonBalls upgrading the DragonBalls does not sound tagt starnge at all

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In the afterlife, Goku is taught this move from King Kai. Essentially, to use the Spirit Bomb, one must have a pure heart so they can manipulate and gather energy, otherwise the move can backfire and possibly hurt or kill the user. Likewise, once a Spirit Bomb has been fired, it is possible for one with a pure heart to deflect the technique, as Goku clarifies to Gohan and Krillin. However, it should be noted that although a person can be pure good or pure evil of heart, a Spirit Bomb created by a pure good person can not be deflected by a pure evil person, as the two opposite energies cancel each other out and one engulfs the other. This is shown when Frieza (a being of pure evil) is not able to deflect the Spirit Bomb, although being able to survive it through brute endurance. However, the Spirit Bomb is capable of harming anyone, regardless of morality.

Vegeta SSj4

Oct 25 2013, 10:11 PM

1)Never ever trust DragonBall wiki sources my friend Frieza could very well able to deflect the spirit bomb if he was more powerfull and he was shown to hold it off meaning if he had more power deflecting it wa possible
2)Bad air was just stupid fun quote the true explanation can be gold becuase of Majin,if you remember later on Goku suggest fusion dance which we know its not Majic and it would not affect the fusion at all meaning there Potara fusion ended because of Majin Buus Majic otherwise Gogeta Wouod have hypothetically been dissolved to and Goku wipouod never even mention it
3)There is no manga quote that supports that if more than 2 people go there then the entrance will instantly blow up its was said to he able to hold 2 persons for 1 years but never for a much much less amount of time like that of Super Buu and Gotebks fight
4)Dude tgats not a plothole at all Buu was so powerfull tagt its just when he channelled all of he's ki intro one direction he managed to get a hole at different reality that's an ability
5)Why wouldn't they be able to do it Nameks were the ones who originally made the DragonBalls and knew how to upgrade the, Kami did the beat he could with he's knowledje he didint even knew he was a namekian lol!

Vegeta SSj4

Oct 25 2013, 10:23 PM

Ok I'll be waiting to continue This my friend the last three ones however are reasonable to not take them as plotholes but its all based in what you think

Ben

Oct 25 2013, 09:53 PM

As far as Uub goes, there's no reason for him. He's thrown in at the end with no plot development, even though there were a ton of characters who would have been better suited. If you like him, that's your opinion and that's cool, I don't.

As for the plotholes, there are a lot and there was a thread listing most of them awhile back if you search, but I'll list the ones that bug me the most:
1. The Genki Dama can't be blocked by anyone who isn't pure of heart, yet Buu holds it up, requiring everyone to give Goku their ki.
2. After it's stated the Potara are permanent, Vegeta and Goku are able to separate due to "bad air" inside of Buu.
3. It was stated previously in the series that only 2 people could go into the RoST, but then four people are able to for some reason.
4. Buu punching a hole in a dimension was never explained, it just happened and was a total macgufin.
5. The Namek Dragon Balls get a power up allowing them to grant three wishes AND bring back people who have been brought back once before. They just get a "power up".