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Super perfect Cell or Gohan SSJ2?
Tweet Topic Started: Oct 22 2013, 05:51 PM (1,937 Views)
RealSociedad	Oct 22 2013, 05:51 PM Post #1
Posts: 1,352 Group: Member Member #9,575 Joined: June 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Who is stronger? I really think SPC is the stronger one. Here are my reasons: 1. SPC knew Gohan's SSJ2 power. But when he received his zenkai, he was feeling he was strong enough to defeat Gohan and even transported himself to him. 2. When SPC threw a enery ball to Vegeta and hit Gohan's arm (He injured Gohan badly with it) he said 'enough playing around', meaning he was not serious at all when he fired that blast. 3. When Gohan said to Goku in his kamehameha struggle that his power dropped, Goku said it only feels like that, but he was meaning it wasn't and he could strengt up his kamehameha with one hand. The reason that SPC lost that kamehameha struggle was thanks to Vegeta else SPC would have destroyed him. I think you could place SPC between kid Gohan SSJ2 and Goku SSJ2 (Buu saga) Edited by RealSociedad, Oct 22 2013, 05:54 PM.



Billa	Oct 22 2013, 06:00 PM Post #2
Thala na Gethu! Posts: 4,218 Group: Member Member #7,273 Joined: February 3, 2012 Favourite Anime Nothin What Browser do you use? Nothin Favourite Manga Nothin	Its not only raw power. SPC has Goku's fighting instinct, Vegeta's endurance, Piccolo's regeneration, heck Frieza's ability to withstand most disastrous injuries. Brats need to drink milk.



AA500	Oct 22 2013, 06:35 PM Post #3
Posts: 2,079 Group: Member Member #9,363 Joined: April 11, 2013 Gender Not Specified	1. Gohan felt the same way about Cell 2. Cell never said "Enough playing around" in the manga, also people take damage from attacks that blindside them. Gohan wasn't at all prepared for Cell's attack. 3. Gohan's ki lowered, everyone knew this. Piccolo, Goku and Gohan himself knew it happened, but Goku said that if Gohan went all out he could overcome Cell even with only half his ki. Chapter: 415 (DBZ 221), P6.2-5 Context: after Gohan's injured saving Vegeta, and Cell charges up his final Kamehameha Goku: “Go strike with an all-out Kamehameha, like Cell! If you do that, you’ll definitely win! Absolutely!” Gohan: “B-but, the way I am now…I can only use one arm, and even my ki is already less than half…” [ ] Goku: “That’s alright, you can win! Believe in your own power! Show me one last time…The power we created together!” It kinda points to Gohan having the advantage if he were full power



Mightiest Gohan	Oct 22 2013, 06:42 PM Post #4
Posts: 1,040 Group: Member Member #10,132 Joined: September 6, 2013	Gohan had a little power advantage if he was at full power. If it wasn't the beam struggle instead it was a fight then I think we could go either way.
	Super Buu: So, hotshot! You want to fight Majin Buu? Gohan: Fight you? No. I wanna kill you!


+ Pyrus	Oct 22 2013, 07:44 PM Post #5
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	One could argue that Toriyama was trying to show that even though Cell had become more powerful than Gohan, Gohan's inner power could still triumph.
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lunar2	Oct 22 2013, 07:57 PM Post #6
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	imo, what gohan did at the end was the same as frieza powering up after being badly injured by the genki dama. it was just returning to his full power by force of will, even though his body couldn't handle it. full power SPC and full power ssj2 gohan are about the same, imo. cell only lost because of over confidence and being distracted by vegeta. if he had maintained focus, he would have won. if he hadn't played around and toyed with gohan, he would have won.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


+ Yusuke	Oct 22 2013, 07:58 PM Post #7
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Gohan had a slight advantage IMO.
	Ask Yusuke


SSJ	Oct 22 2013, 08:00 PM Post #8
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Let me put this very simply. Gohan beat Cell.



lunar2	Oct 22 2013, 08:04 PM Post #9
Posts: 9,150 Group: Member Member #5,265 Joined: September 24, 2010 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime dragonball/z/gt/movies What Browser do you use? internet explorer or firefox	SuperSaiyan2 Oct 22 2013, 08:00 PM Let me put this very simply. Gohan beat Cell. let me put this very simply. cell played around. cell could have annihilated gohan at any moment, but he didn't because he's that kind of villain.
	list of canon sources: the DB manga, and the Dr. Slump manga as it applies to the crossover during the rra saga. list of non canon sources: everything else, regardless of origin, format, or quality. for those that blindly follow word of god


+ Yusuke	Oct 22 2013, 08:09 PM Post #10
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	lunar2 Oct 22 2013, 08:04 PM SuperSaiyan2 Oct 22 2013, 08:00 PM Let me put this very simply. Gohan beat Cell. let me put this very simply. cell played around. cell could have annihilated gohan at any moment, but he didn't because he's that kind of villain. How do you know he was toying with him? Gohan wasn't afraid to fight him after he got his zenkai and still beat him with one arm.
	Ask Yusuke


SSJ	Oct 22 2013, 08:11 PM Post #11
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	lunar2 Oct 22 2013, 08:04 PM SuperSaiyan2 Oct 22 2013, 08:00 PM Let me put this very simply. Gohan beat Cell. let me put this very simply. cell played around. cell could have annihilated gohan at any moment, but he didn't because he's that kind of villain. Chapter: 415 (DBZ 221), P3.2, P4.2 Context: while charging the Kamehameha Cell: “I’ve already gathered enough ki power to blow away not only the Earth, but the solar system as well!” Random people far away: “Wh-what’s happening!?” “It’s an earthquake…!” The man was not joking around.



+ Pyrus	Oct 22 2013, 08:17 PM Post #12
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Chapter: 415 (DBZ 221), P6.2-5 Context: after Gohan's injured saving Vegeta, and Cell charges up his final Kamehameha Goku: “Go strike with an all-out Kamehameha, like Cell! If you do that, you’ll definitely win! Absolutely!” Gohan: “B-but, the way I am now…I can only use one arm, and even my ki is already less than half…” [ ] Goku: “That’s alright, you can win! Believe in your own power! Show me one last time…The power we created together!” Chapter: 416 (DBZ 222), P7.2, P8.1-2 Context: as Gohan and Cell’s Kamehamehas clash Goku: “Hang on! Hang on, Gohan! You ain’t putting out all your power yet! Make your power explode!” Gohan: “I’m doing it at full force…! Any more than this is…” Goku: “Somewhere in your mind you’re thinking of the damage to the Earth! Don’t worry about it! We’ll undo the damage with the dragonballs!”
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Augahn	Oct 22 2013, 08:21 PM Post #13
Astrian Posts: 499 Group: Duplicate Member #9,505 Joined: May 17, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z	The Buu Saga basically clears this up Piccolo: Vegeta...I've never seen him like this...his enegery..its enormous. I've never felt anything like this since.....since Gohan beat Cell. But Gohans gone. Majin Buu killed him! Besides Vegeta and Buu Gohan was the last massive power level to make Piccolo rattle in his boots. He didnt say Cell. Or even mention him. Gohan being damaged somehow skewered fan judgment and thought that Cell came back superior. Gohan was damaged, weakened, and sacrificed himself. One on One he wuldve annihilated Cell. At half strength he was barely able to win. Full Power blows Cell out of the water . Even with his Zenkai. its like Frieza 50% vs Ssj Goku and then 100% getting stomped next.



EMIYA	Oct 22 2013, 08:34 PM Post #14
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	Stand back people, the Resident Cell Fan is here. Ahem...let's get some facts straight. Both Cell and Gohan were confident in taking the other on. In Cell's case, he kept it much safer on his part, saying things like "It's not going to be as easy of a fight this time" where as Gohan was more "B** please, Imma tear you apart!" Said Gohan got blown up and started crying. Gohan states after getting blown up that Cell was stronger than he thought, clearing indicating that he had underestimated Cell. The battle then consists of the beam duel which is basically something like this. Gohan: OH MY ING GOD I CAN'T DO THIS! I CAN'T DO THIS DADDY! HOLY *!!! Cell: whisles* Goku: COME ON B***** GET WORKING! USE YOUR POWER! EXPLODE DAMMIT! Cell:...whistles some more OH SNAP VEGETA JF:LKDSJFLKDSJF8 distraction's and **) Gohan: Winner! faints* in a nut shell. --- --- Quote: The Buu Saga basically clears this up Piccolo: Vegeta...I've never seen him like this...his enegery..its enormous. I've never felt anything like this since.....since Gohan beat Cell. But Gohans gone. Majin Buu killed him! Besides Vegeta and Buu Gohan was the last massive power level to make Piccolo rattle in his boots. He didnt say Cell. Or even mention him. Gohan being damaged somehow skewered fan judgment and thought that Cell came back superior. Gohan was damaged, weakened, and sacrificed himself. One on One he wuldve annihilated Cell. At half strength he was barely able to win. Full Power blows Cell out of the water . Even with his Zenkai. its like Frieza 50% vs Ssj Goku and then 100% getting stomped next. Sort of a poor analogy. One on one didn't prove anything. in fact the entire fight with Cell basically shows that yes, Cell has enough power to deliver massive amounts of damage to Gohan's body. Cell literally took out more than half of Gohan's ki with just one chi blast. A chi blast which wasn't even shown to be amped at all. Unguarded or not, this is an expressively large amount of damage. 10% alone would've been crazy enough on an unguarded Gohan, Cell went up and blew off more than 50%. You cannot deny that this is some hellishly impressive damage ratio and something we've never seen in the series. We've never seen a person who was at leat on another person's level of power, (and by your argument vastly weaker) throw an uncharged blast at a person and dock over 50% of a person's ki. Frankly even if Cell was equal to Gohan, he shouldn't have done that much collective damage to Gohan. The point is though, Cell showed the power to deal with Gohan and by Gohan admitted to Cell's increased power. Here's the main problem with your argument, you assume Gohan won at 50% of his power. This is a poor call and contradicts what we see. Cell was massive above 50% Gohan, to the point where not only was he stated to be stronger, his entire actions justify that amount. Gohan is struggling, bleeding and sweating, Cell's smiling and nonchalant. Once Gohan does overpower Cell, he does so against a distracted Cell. Even Goku remarks that Gohan can win if he released all his power and that's what keeps screaming Gohan to do. He wants Gohan toe release all of his power and stop holding back and when he does...again distracted Cell. http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8424972/1/ Here's a debate we had indicating both Gohan and Cell's strong points. I don't really care who has the advantage, heck I have Gohan having a slight power advantage, but there's more than enough proof to have SSj2 Kid Gohan and Zenkai Perfect Cell as close rivals.



Augahn	Oct 22 2013, 08:49 PM Post #15
Astrian Posts: 499 Group: Duplicate Member #9,505 Joined: May 17, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z	Say if Gohan was prepared. If he had swatted the blast would it have numbed his arm like Nappas was against his younger self? He was all bent on saving Vegeta. Ex: FPSsj Goku was vastly Superior to Semi perfect Cell, yet his explosion completely wiped him out. Vegetas attack shouldn't have even made Cell remember that the peon was there. A much weaker Cell tanked a stronger Vegeta. (Asceneded Super Saiyan). If it weren't for his p*ssy attitude and his self sacrifice, Gohan would've crushed Cell for killing his father. Cell was actin all bad like all villans do when they gain a lil power



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