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The 49ers offense was only ok, because Smith was running it...

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Kaepernick may be struggling right now with his receivers, but the offense is far more explosive with him at helm instead of Alex Smith. Kaepernick's big play ability trumps anything Alex Smith was able to contribute.

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I have to disagree. Alex Smith did not lead the 49ers to a 13-3 record.

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Lmao, Alex Smith could have done better, but he didn't lose them the game?

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Matt Schaub takes all the criticism for his team as a whole playing bad, but Smith gets off scot free. how is that fair?

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I agree, he is a top 12 QB and a very good one at that, but he is not a game changing QB.

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The 49ers were getting offers for Alex Smith, because he was expendable. If they didn't have Kaep, he wouldn't have been dealt. That's not to say he only got offers, because he was expendable, but you get the point...You don't pay a backup QB the kind of money he was getting. Hinders your cap space.

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Smith didn't live up to the expectations that came with being picked number one overall. He was a disappointment until Harbaugh came.

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Alex Smith doesn't do the heavy lifting for his team. He;s a solid player, but he's not the most important player on his team now, nor was he with the 49ers. That's the difference between somebody like Brees and Alex Smith regardless of who has won more games. Brees elevates the play of his teammates, Smith does not.

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And why is it that the change to Harbaugh finally helped him? come on, put 2 + 2 together.

Volt the Mean

Oct 18 2013, 04:46 AM

Hurry My Curry

Oct 17 2013, 11:51 PM

@Fulgore, to continue the convo about Alex Smith.

When you are on one of the most talented teams in the NFL, I think it's safe to say that a lot of QB's could win games. Plus he is a disappointment based on his DRAFT POSITION. When you are drafted number one overall, expectations should be for you to be higher than a game manager.

Fulgore brought up a valid point about Matt Shaub and Tavariss Jackson, and those teams have their star QB in RW and the Texans have their what many think is a border line elite QB in Matt "potato" Shaub (LOLOLOLOL)

And neither of the above teams have even reached the NFCCG even with those star studded teams and borderline star QB's they couldn't even make it to the NFCCG!!

While Alex Smith had a star studded D and an OK offense with zero receivers other than V. Davis and Crabs, and in that season he led the niners to a 13-3 regular season record and out gunned DREW FRICKINN BREES in a shoot out to the last second, and made it to the NFCCG in which he could have done better but he certainly didn't lose the game a player by the name Kyle Williams did with TWO fumbles.

And following that season he led the niners to a very respectable 6-2 record until he got injured and Kaep was put into play.

That is why Alex may not be an elite gunner type QB like Favre/Brady/Brees, but he is elite in the sense when you put Alex in a situation where the team is there and and talented Alex can lead them all the way to what may be the SB in the form of Game Managing and posting just enough points to lead his team to a W not many QB can do that. IMO he is easily a top 12 QB just based on how reliable he is.

@MrGohan

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Plus he is a disappointment based on his DRAFT POSITION. When you are drafted number one overall, expectations should be for you to be higher than a game manager.

He was worth that pick imo, and it showed in the off season the niners were getting offers left and right for him and the niners ended up leaving the decision to where he played up to Alex and he chose the Chiefs in which the Niners received 2 second round picks which is amazing considering his age. Those two seasons were the years were he was fully healthy had stability and a solid team around him. Thats why in the beggining he couldn't show much and he didn't have much around him either tbh.

Go ask Raiders fans how their first overall pick Jamarcus Russell panned out, just because you draft a QB first overall it doesn't make your team a SB contender right away that's just stupid to think, I'd say Alex panned out just fine... Chiefs 6-0 led by Alex Smith, and before you tell me "well the Chiefs defense is top notch and its all because of them!" well yea their D is great but its also because of Alex Smith he plays the Ground and pound game which eats up tremendous clock and keeps his defense fresh and ready to play at full level in every series just like the Niners D in 2011-2012

@Fulgore the users here may not think Alex was worth much, but NFL personnel do people that breathe and bleed NFL everyday scouting and researching knew how valuable Alex Smith was and it showed reflecting the trade 2 second round picks is a nice return for a "bad or not every good QB" as people on here have stated lol.

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Volt the Mean

Oct 18 2013, 08:45 AM

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What point about only having one healthy "good" receiver for the majority of the 2011-12 season don't you understand? he only had Crabs at WR and V. Davis at TE that season as his passing threats every other receiver was hot garbage. Therefore the ground and pound was installed from the begging and made him extremely successful he only scored when need and just enough to gather the W.

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Then who would lead them? The RB? the niners aren't the Vikings, they needed a leader yea you have a talented defense, and so what? if the defense is left out in the field no matter how good they may be the will get run down and tired and be exposed, that is where Alex Smith came in he kept drives alive when needed be, while inadvertently keeping the defense restred and happy, yes Alex was a leader without him the niners would be like the 2-14 Chiefs last season full of talent but nothing more than a headless giant..

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Well yea when your rookie punt returner who has never rutrned a punt in the NFL gets thrown into the fire cuz of injury and his first duty is to catch a punt in the 4th Q with game on the line and he fumbles in the Niners territory yea he gave them the game TWICE in OT also... Alex and Eli played pretty much on par neither out played the other one, and both out played great QB in the week prior, Alex out gunned Drew Brees and Eli beat Rodgers in his own home!

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When your team loses your QB will always take the blame just like Alex did early in his career too, hell even Kaep recently. Matt Shaub is just getting criticized for the first time in years and Eli too Why? cuz they're losing is it fair? No, but that's the NFL media for you buddy so deal with it.

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And your point is? All there is to this is that Alex Smith panned out in the end, it took a while but it did. What you can't bare to see a success story? Oh no you can't just cuz its the Niners huh

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How can you call yourself an NFL fan when you think the HC doesn't matter to a team?! Yes it does, Harbaugh brought the ground and pound style of play which fitted Alex Smith perfectly and the HC also brings along a whole new coaching staff along with an entirely different playbook... Jeez

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When your team loses your QB will always take the blame just like Alex did early in his career too, hell even Kaep recently. Matt Shaub is just getting criticized for the first time in years and Eli too Why? cuz they're losing is it fair? No, but that's the NFL media for you buddy so deal with it.

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He protects the ball. He doesn't commit errors, and he makes the intelligent plays to get you down field. This is the hallmark of an EXTREMELY intelligent QB. He's not a huge risk taker, and that's fine. His offense lead drives that eat up HUGE amounts of clock like Volt said. It's a strategy in its own, and doesn't require 30-40 points per game to get a big win.

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A few stops, on defense and the offense will chew up the clock. Alex Smith is elite, but not by the standards new QBs like Brees/Brady are held to

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Fulgore brought up a valid point about Matt Shaub and Tavariss Jackson, and those teams have their star QB in RW and the Texans have their what many think is a border line elite QB in Matt "potato" Shaub (LOLOLOLOL)

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And neither of the above teams have even reached the NFCCG even with those star studded teams and borderline star QB's they couldn't even make it to the NFCCG!!

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While Alex Smith had a star studded D and an OK offense with zero receivers other than V. Davis and Crabs, and in that season he led the niners to a 13-3 regular season record and out gunned DREW FRICKINN BREES in a shoot out to the last second, and made it to the NFCCG in which he could have done better but he certainly didn't lose the game a player by the name Kyle Williams did with TWO fumbles.

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And following that season he led the niners to a very respectable 6-2 record until he got injured and Kaep was put into play.

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That is why Alex may not be an elite gunner type QB like Favre/Brady/Brees, but he is elite in the sense when you put Alex in a situation where the team is there and and talented Alex can lead them all the way to what may be the SB in the form of Game Managing and posting just enough points to lead his team to a W not many QB can do that. IMO he is easily a top 12 QB just based on how reliable he is.

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Plus he is a disappointment based on his DRAFT POSITION. When you are drafted number one overall, expectations should be for you to be higher than a game manager.

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Go ask Raiders fans how their first overall pick Jamarcus Russell panned out, just because you draft a QB first overall it doesn't make your team a SB contender right away that's just stupid to think, I'd say Alex panned out just fine... Chiefs 6-0 led by Alex Smith, and before you tell me "well the Chiefs defense is top notch and its all because of them!" well yea their D is great but its also because of Alex Smith he plays the Ground and pound game which eats up tremendous clock and keeps his defense fresh and ready to play at full level in every series just like the Niners D in 2011-2012

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the users here may not think Alex was worth much, but NFL personnel do people that breathe and bleed NFL everyday scouting and researching knew how valuable Alex Smith was and it showed reflecting the trade 2 second round picks is a nice return for a "bad or not every good QB" as people on here have stated lol.

WRECKING THESE YOUNG BOWLS LEFT AND RIGHT... LOL come at meehh xd

Fulgore

Oct 18 2013, 09:33 PM

skipping all of your TL;DR to make apparent point outs that you obviously NEED

Alex Smith's OFFNESE was ranked 11th? WITHOUT POSTING 300-400 YARDS PER GAME? He had one of the HIGHEST RATED QBR? WHAT? Holy s***, that must mean he's a REALLY GOOD QB!

Guess who had the NUMBER 1 Defense that year? Guess where that team went! WITH AN ELITE QB! NO where. (Still going...no wherrreee)

Would you consider Lawrence Taylor and Ray Lewis ELITE Linebackers?

If you said yes, you're a hypocrite. They both were elite linebackers that played DIFFERENT TYPES OF FOOTBALL. One stuffed the middle and the other pressured the QB

LT was notorious for teams adjusting their blocking assignments because LT was going to kill your QB

Ray Lewis was known to just be a presence and he would make the stops when he needed to. He rarely ever pressured QBs

Both were considered the best LBs of all time, even though they approached the position with two different philosophies


A player doesn't NEED To win a championship to be elite/legendary.

Barry Sanders. Nuff' said.

Rebel X

Oct 18 2013, 11:36 PM

Man where did that dislike button go on DBZF.

Media has really blown up the Return of Manning and it will be epic in my opinion. However, I think that all this crap could infact mess with Mannings head. Not this game but in a few weeks Who knows. I think Broncos lose somewhere along the line.

Chiefs and Broncos will be a very good game to watch imo, whatever week that is.

I hear Jamaal Charles is up for MVP, unless people wanna give it to Peyton Manning again for the 5 th time which has Never Been Done