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Week 7; Discussion by crazy NFL fans
Topic Started: Oct 17 2013, 09:10 PM (2,085 Views)
Master Gohan Oct 17 2013, 09:10 PM Post #1
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 Hi, welcome to week 7!

Really excited for this week. Pats vs jets, Bal vs pit and Den vs Ind and the giants will all give us some really good games. What games are you guys excited for?

Goal: get 100 replies in this topic to beat week 6's 95.
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+ Rebel X Oct 17 2013, 10:15 PM Post #2
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 Discussions are great, we've been getting more views and replies every week. So keep it up gang. Always lots to talk about during the season.

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Hurry My Curry Oct 17 2013, 10:26 PM Post #3
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 Pretty sure the Ravens Steelers game is not going to be a close game. Suggs and Dumervil made life miserable for Rodgers, Roethlisberger is gonna have a tough day.

I see the Giants getting their first win personally.
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+ Rebel X Oct 17 2013, 11:46 PM Post #4
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 I would love it if the Raven Steeler game was al bowout Ravens 57-3. That'd be great, but regardless of the record, every week of every year we play them, it's so hard nosed and so tough. Arguably the best AFC rivalry in the past decade that I think still continues this year even tho neither has been very stout in comparison to other teams.

All the primetime games look interesting this week

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Hurry My Curry Oct 17 2013, 11:51 PM Post #5
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 @Fulgore, to continue the convo about Alex Smith.

When you are on one of the most talented teams in the NFL, I think it's safe to say that a lot of QB's could win games. Plus he is a disappointment based on his DRAFT POSITION. When you are drafted number one overall, expectations should be for you to be higher than a game manager.
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Pookie Oct 17 2013, 11:59 PM Post #6
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 I'm excited for the Giants vs. Vikings game because it's my team vs. my bf's team. Since the time we got together, the Vikings have won all the matches. >_< Come on! I need to get just ONE time to brag against him. :p Either way, I don't think I'll be that upset if the Giants win because I've grown to like the Vikings too so oh well.

@Hurry- I totally agree with your statement about Alex Smith. I said he was a good quarterback and probably a solid one at that, but he has been on some great teams. The Chiefs were full of talent and with him on the team he has helped them put the pieces together. However, I think he has to win some important games for me to consider him any better than I have so far.
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Master Gohan Oct 18 2013, 02:51 AM Post #7
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I'm excited for the Giants vs. Vikings game because it's my team vs. my bf's team. Since the time we got together, the Vikings have won all the matches. >_< Come on! I need to get just ONE time to brag against him. :p Either way, I don't think I'll be that upset if the Giants win because I've grown to like the Vikings too so oh well.

@Hurry- I totally agree with your statement about Alex Smith. I said he was a good quarterback and probably a solid one at that, but he has been on some great teams. The Chiefs were full of talent and with him on the team he has helped them put the pieces together. However, I think he has to win some important games for me to consider him any better than I have so far.
just say the years 2007 and 2011 and you got him!
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Fulgore Oct 18 2013, 04:18 AM Post #8
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 Lets get one thing straight, the 49ers were a mess before Jim Harbaugh took them over. Talent means nothing without direction.
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Hurry My Curry Oct 18 2013, 04:39 AM Post #9
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 What does that have to do with Alex Smith lol? Wouldn't that make him a product of Harbaugh's coaching too?
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Volt the Mean Oct 18 2013, 04:46 AM Post #10
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@Fulgore, to continue the convo about Alex Smith.

When you are on one of the most talented teams in the NFL, I think it's safe to say that a lot of QB's could win games. Plus he is a disappointment based on his DRAFT POSITION. When you are drafted number one overall, expectations should be for you to be higher than a game manager.
Fulgore brought up a valid point about Matt Shaub and Tavariss Jackson, and those teams have their star QB in RW and the Texans have their what many think is a border line elite QB in Matt "potato" Shaub (LOLOLOLOL)

And neither of the above teams have even reached the NFCCG even with those star studded teams and borderline star QB's they couldn't even make it to the NFCCG!!

While Alex Smith had a star studded D and an OK offense with zero receivers other than V. Davis and Crabs, and in that season he led the niners to a 13-3 regular season record and out gunned DREW FRICKINN BREES in a shoot out to the last second, and made it to the NFCCG in which he could have done better but he certainly didn't lose the game a player by the name Kyle Williams did with TWO fumbles.

And following that season he led the niners to a very respectable 6-2 record until he got injured and Kaep was put into play.

That is why Alex may not be an elite gunner type QB like Favre/Brady/Brees, but he is elite in the sense when you put Alex in a situation where the team is there and and talented Alex can lead them all the way to what may be the SB in the form of Game Managing and posting just enough points to lead his team to a W not many QB can do that. IMO he is easily a top 12 QB just based on how reliable he is.

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Plus he is a disappointment based on his DRAFT POSITION. When you are drafted number one overall, expectations should be for you to be higher than a game manager.

He was worth that pick imo, and it showed in the off season the niners were getting offers left and right for him and the niners ended up leaving the decision to where he played up to Alex and he chose the Chiefs in which the Niners received 2 second round picks which is amazing considering his age. Those two seasons were the years were he was fully healthy had stability and a solid team around him. Thats why in the beggining he couldn't show much and he didn't have much around him either tbh.

Go ask Raiders fans how their first overall pick Jamarcus Russell panned out, just because you draft a QB first overall it doesn't make your team a SB contender right away that's just stupid to think, I'd say Alex panned out just fine... Chiefs 6-0 led by Alex Smith, and before you tell me "well the Chiefs defense is top notch and its all because of them!" well yea their D is great but its also because of Alex Smith he plays the Ground and pound game which eats up tremendous clock and keeps his defense fresh and ready to play at full level in every series just like the Niners D in 2011-2012 ;)

@Fulgore the users here may not think Alex was worth much, but NFL personnel do people that breathe and bleed NFL everyday scouting and researching knew how valuable Alex Smith was and it showed reflecting the trade 2 second round picks is a nice return for a "bad or not every good QB" as people on here have stated lol.

WRECKING THESE YOUNG BOWLS LEFT AND RIGHT... LOL come at meehh xD
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Fulgore Oct 18 2013, 04:54 AM Post #11
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 He protects the ball. He doesn't commit errors, and he makes the intelligent plays to get you down field. This is the hallmark of an EXTREMELY intelligent QB. He's not a huge risk taker, and that's fine. His offense lead drives that eat up HUGE amounts of clock like Volt said. It's a strategy in its own, and doesn't require 30-40 points per game to get a big win.

A few stops, on defense and the offense will chew up the clock. Alex Smith is elite, but not by the standards new QBs like Brees/Brady are held to
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Hurry My Curry Oct 18 2013, 06:30 AM Post #12
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 The 49ers offense was only ok, because Smith was running it...Kaepernick may be struggling right now with his receivers, but the offense is far more explosive with him at helm instead of Alex Smith. Kaepernick's big play ability trumps anything Alex Smith was able to contribute.

I have to disagree. Alex Smith did not lead the 49ers to a 13-3 record. Contributing and leading are two different things. I'd say the 49ers pension for forcing turnovers led them to a 13-3 record in 2011, not Alex Smith. He was certainly a contributor, but not to the level that you are making it seem. Lmao, Alex Smith could have done better, but he didn't lose them the game? Matt Schaub takes all the criticism for his team as a whole playing bad, but Smith gets off scot free. how is that fair?

I agree, he is a top 12 QB and a very good one at that, but he is not a game changing QB.

The 49ers were getting offers for Alex Smith, because he was expendable. If they didn't have Kaep, he wouldn't have been dealt. That's not to say he only got offers, because he was expendable, but you get the point...You don't pay a backup QB the kind of money he was getting. Hinders your cap space.

Never said that drafting a QB number one makes you SB contenders. When you draft a QB number one overall, you have expectations that come with it. Look at how much criticism Newton is taking in just his third season. Bradford's 4th season in the league, and he is dealing with a make or break year. Smith didn't live up to the expectations that came with being picked number one overall. He was a disappointment until Harbaugh came.

@Fulgore: You've said it yourself, Alex Smith doesn't do the heavy lifting for his team. He;s a solid player, but he's not the most important player on his team now, nor was he with the 49ers. That's the difference between somebody like Brees and Alex Smith regardless of who has won more games. Brees elevates the play of his teammates, Smith does not.

Edit - It's not fair to blame Matt Schaub completely for the Texans struggles. He's getting very little support from his defense, and for all the talent the Texans supposedly have on that side of the ball, it's not showing. With Duane Brown hobbled, the Texans o-line is struggling as a whole as well. Andre Johnson's been hobbled also, Daniels is out 6-8 weeks. Besides those two, all they've got is 2 rookies (Hopkins and Garrett Graham). Since the receiving core is underwhelming, Foster can be limited by stacking the box. How is it fair to blame it all on schaub? I've never believed that it's ok to give all the credit to the QB or have him take all the blame.

Edit 2.0 - I've never once said that Alex Smith was a scrub or garbage, my main point was that the 49ers team is very talented as a whole, so it's not Smith that deserves the full credit for their success from 2011-2012.
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Fulgore Oct 18 2013, 06:48 AM Post #13
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 He is by no means a disappointment. He's a great QB even for his draft position.
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Hurry My Curry Oct 18 2013, 06:56 AM Post #14
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 How do you guys forget how bad this dude was before Harbaugh came? Dude was awful before Harbaugh came. Harbaugh cleaned him up. Don't tell me you guys forgot that already?
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Fulgore Oct 18 2013, 06:59 AM Post #15
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 How do i forget how many offensive cordinators he had, and the s*** he had to deal with from dickheads like Mike Singletary? Not to mention the constant amount of injuries he faced. The 49ers sucked, we had no vision, and it wasn't alex smith's fault
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