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Proof of vegito ~ ssj3 gogeta
Topic Started: Oct 16 2013, 10:31 AM (2,465 Views)
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Oct 18 2013, 04:56 AM
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Oct 17 2013, 02:51 PM
The difference between Gogeta and Pre-Gotenks really shouldn't be all that great, significant, but nothing massive. This becomes even more obvious when we compare Gogeta and Post-ROSAT Gotenks where the gap between them should by its own nature, be diminished even more than before.

This is almost painful if you use the SEG Multipliers for SSJ and what not, because at this point, the fact that Gogeta still manages to be stronger than Gotenks overall makes almost no sense. It practically much means that fusion is completely random regardless of who the people are in the end.

Regardless of that, the only statements we have regarding Gogeta in the end is that he could defeat Super Boo (difficulty of such a thing not specified either) nor are we given information on if this means SSJ alone or something like SSJ3.

My personal point is as such, if Gogeta has to be stronger than Post-Gotenks, something I think is horribly wrong and AT wasn't thinking straight, then there's no reason to have a huge, or even relatively significant gap between the two.
Why is the gap between gogeta and gotenks not that much even pre-rosat?
Wow trunks was able to touch vegeta's face, big deal, that's like telling a bunny rabit to come and fight you ( not expecting much ) and then it just jumps at your face. Also gohan vs goten isn't a big deal either because at the time gohans a fare deal weaker than goku, and even then gohan is still able to take on goten for a bit before having to turn ssj( or is that just anime? Forgive me if it is) and ssj is like a 10 times multiplier.

Goku ssj>~ full power perfect cell>pre majin vegeta ssj> teen gohan ssj>cell games goku ssj>gohan ssj>kid trunks ssj>goten ssj


Well think of it this way, the gap between Gohan and Goten was low enough that Gohan feared he's be surpassed soon if he didn't get his act together and even the Daiz. notes that Gohan and Goten are close together. Though in the latter's case, they have them practically equal while in reality there was still a gap, add a bit more leg room of significance if you want.

And now compare Gohan and the other Saiyans, a significant gap between them, but you wouldn't call it a 5-10x gap would you?

That's the kind of gap the kids and Adults have and by virtue, what we'd expect the difference between Pre-ROSAT Gotenks and Gogeta.

But then you have Post-ROSAT Gotenks surpassing his SSJ form in base and if you use those 50x SEG multiplier and SEG amps for the other SSJ forms. I mean Gotenks pretty much increase himself over 50x his normal level. That's a massive increase and I don't think anyone had a 50x difference between the base kids and adults to begin with.

Thus, the only way Gogeta can be stronger than Post-Gotenks is if you just give Gogeta a massively higher fusion boost. I honestly think when Toriyama gave the line about Gogeta, he was thinking it in terms of the Adults being stronger than the kids and thus their fusion being stronger, not realizing by then that Gotenks himself had made incredible gains that surpassed the original Gotenks in power.
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I don't think half the people who argue so heavily in Gogeta's favor would be doing so without Movie 12. That was one badass representation of a character, so it's understandable, but it's like if Cooler was put into the manga hypothetically - people would firstly take a glance at his movies to decide his power instead of what might've been mentioned in the actual manga.

But that's simply what I think goes on. It's probably wrong.

Toriyama might've answered this for us already.
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Movie 12 Gogeta was badass, GT slaughtered his image for me...
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I so t really have to present proof I think SSj3 Gigeta=Buutenks and Base Vegito even weaker than Buuhan he should rival Buutenks so that's why they think that Base Begito~SSj3 Gogeta but in my opinion Base Vegito is at Mystic Gohan's level or so :)
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Oct 16 2013, 10:08 PM
fusion is not linear
if goten is 4
and trunks 5
gotenks is 24 lets say

goku 10
and vegeta 8
gogeta is not necessaryily going to be the difference between goten and trunks
he could be much much stronger
ill explain, piccolo says to goten and trnuks to get even a little more stronger before fusion cause the smallest gains they get
result in even bigger gains for fusion, so goku being only 2 x or stronger then goten does mean that gogeta is going to be that much stronger but exponentially cause the difference is greater for fusion


and yeah theres really no proof for gogeta ssj3 = veggeto
imo gogetga should be roughly a form behind or so then veggeto
In that case vegito=gogeta
Am I right?

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well i dont know u telling me something u dont believe hmm.....
im not saying gogeta is equal to veggeto at all. i never once mentioned that in my post
i think u need to sharpen ur comprehension skills kp

there the same being different methods are used, nothing really says rvial boost is exclusive to potara
its not like somehow there suddenly not rivals if they do the dance, so logically we should assume
he still gets a boost but by quotes and evidence from the manga its pretty clear that veggeto is still much stronger then his fusion counter part
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Vegito should be very comparable to SSj3 Gigeta in base form only!in my opinion Base Vegito should be weaker than SSj3 Hogeta but not for a long shot I have him at Mystic Gohan's level while Gogeta SSj3 is at Buutenks tier :)
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