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Proof of vegito ~ ssj3 gogeta
Topic Started: Oct 16 2013, 10:31 AM (2,467 Views)
SSJ Oct 16 2013, 10:05 PM Post #16
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Kaboom
Oct 16 2013, 10:02 PM
I'd see it more as Super Gogeta being far superior to Gohan-Boo, but not AS far superior as Vegetto.
I honestly don't care anymore where people place Gogeta, but the only thing that bugs me is the linearity fact. SSJ 3 Gotenks ~ Super Boo, so wouldn't the adult fusion only be around 2x stronger in SSJ 3?
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+ Havoc_Wreaker Oct 16 2013, 10:08 PM Post #17
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Popcorn

 fusion is not linear
if goten is 4
and trunks 5
gotenks is 24 lets say

goku 10
and vegeta 8
gogeta is not necessaryily going to be the difference between goten and trunks
he could be much much stronger
ill explain, piccolo says to goten and trnuks to get even a little more stronger before fusion cause the smallest gains they get
result in even bigger gains for fusion, so goku being only 2 x or stronger then goten does mean that gogeta is going to be that much stronger but exponentially cause the difference is greater for fusion


and yeah theres really no proof for gogeta ssj3 = veggeto
imo gogetga should be roughly a form behind or so then veggeto
Edited by Havoc_Wreaker, Oct 16 2013, 10:09 PM.
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+ Kaboom Oct 17 2013, 03:53 AM Post #18
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SuperSaiyan2
Oct 16 2013, 10:05 PM
I honestly don't care anymore where people place Gogeta, but the only thing that bugs me is the linearity fact. SSJ 3 Gotenks ~ Super Boo, so wouldn't the adult fusion only be around 2x stronger in SSJ 3?
Because some not-elaborated-upon quality of Goku and Vegeta just makes for a better and stronger Fusion than Goten and Trunks. Fusion is pretty much magic; It doesn't always have to line up mathematically.
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Crow Oct 17 2013, 11:43 AM Post #19
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 Yes, I agree with the last two posts, I never actually thought there was any proof that says vegito ~ gogeta ssj3, since I seem to see it all the time, just like havoc wreaker I think gogeta can't really be more than around 1 level behind vegito, there's no need to have such huge gaps between them, just because of a few coments made by buu who dosent really know much, I mean buu still thought he was stronger than vegito for ages.

Thanks for clearing that up
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Kishime Oct 17 2013, 02:19 PM Post #20
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SSjin 3 Gogeta > SSjin Vegetto
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EMIYA Oct 17 2013, 02:51 PM Post #21
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 The difference between Gogeta and Pre-Gotenks really shouldn't be all that great, significant, but nothing massive. This becomes even more obvious when we compare Gogeta and Post-ROSAT Gotenks where the gap between them should by its own nature, be diminished even more than before.

This is almost painful if you use the SEG Multipliers for SSJ and what not, because at this point, the fact that Gogeta still manages to be stronger than Gotenks overall makes almost no sense. It practically much means that fusion is completely random regardless of who the people are in the end.

Regardless of that, the only statements we have regarding Gogeta in the end is that he could defeat Super Boo (difficulty of such a thing not specified either) nor are we given information on if this means SSJ alone or something like SSJ3.

My personal point is as such, if Gogeta has to be stronger than Post-Gotenks, something I think is horribly wrong and AT wasn't thinking straight, then there's no reason to have a huge, or even relatively significant gap between the two.
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+ Pyrus Oct 17 2013, 03:02 PM Post #22
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 Movie 12 has tainted so much. It's like Broly, except Gogeta is less hated hated so it's much more acceptable. Society's standards, I tell ya.

I'm still with Gogeta being equal to Gohan-Boo at best. Villain cockiness only goes so far.

That post by Jack would come in handy here.
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Kishime Oct 17 2013, 05:13 PM Post #23
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SSjin 2 Gogeta > Gohan-Boo
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+ Pyrus Oct 17 2013, 07:40 PM Post #24
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 Toriyama wanted something better than Fusion since Toei jumped the gun on that; he needed to outdo them, so he made Potara. Only from what I'm reading, Gogeta could've owned Boo, just not "as badly" as Vegetto.

Boohan << Gogeta
Boohan <<< Vegetto

I'm afraid I don't see the real logic behind that.
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Stallin' Oct 17 2013, 07:42 PM Post #25
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"Corona veniat electis."

Toei didn't jump the gun on Gogeta at all. They perfected fusion since Gotenks was so horridly done.

Besides, I have Vegetto above SSj3 Gogeta.

Super Vegetto, of course. SSj3 Gogeta should be around Base Vegetto.
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+ Pyrus Oct 17 2013, 09:18 PM Post #26
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 Ah, here's Jack's post on the matter.

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Didn't I provide a perfectly plausible interpretation of the quote in the other thread? Vegetto's that strong because Goku and Vegeta are the ones using the Potara.

"I never thought the Potara union could be so incredible!"
"It's only because those two did it that it's gone so far."

He's an idiot for not thinking about the power of the fusees, which is what he's corrected for. Why would old man call him an idiot for "thinking it was the potara" when its power and the fusees' power are equally revelant? He's called one because all he has to do is look at himself to realize that you can't just combine any two fighters and get the same result.

http://www.pojo.biz/board/showpost.php?p=23968915&postcount=83
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Crow Oct 18 2013, 04:56 AM Post #27
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Oct 17 2013, 02:51 PM
The difference between Gogeta and Pre-Gotenks really shouldn't be all that great, significant, but nothing massive. This becomes even more obvious when we compare Gogeta and Post-ROSAT Gotenks where the gap between them should by its own nature, be diminished even more than before.

This is almost painful if you use the SEG Multipliers for SSJ and what not, because at this point, the fact that Gogeta still manages to be stronger than Gotenks overall makes almost no sense. It practically much means that fusion is completely random regardless of who the people are in the end.

Regardless of that, the only statements we have regarding Gogeta in the end is that he could defeat Super Boo (difficulty of such a thing not specified either) nor are we given information on if this means SSJ alone or something like SSJ3.

My personal point is as such, if Gogeta has to be stronger than Post-Gotenks, something I think is horribly wrong and AT wasn't thinking straight, then there's no reason to have a huge, or even relatively significant gap between the two.
Why is the gap between gogeta and gotenks not that much even pre-rosat?
Wow trunks was able to touch vegeta's face, big deal, that's like telling a bunny rabit to come and fight you ( not expecting much ) and then it just jumps at your face. Also gohan vs goten isn't a big deal either because at the time gohans a fare deal weaker than goku, and even then gohan is still able to take on goten for a bit before having to turn ssj( or is that just anime? Forgive me if it is) and ssj is like a 10 times multiplier.

Goku ssj>~ full power perfect cell>pre majin vegeta ssj> teen gohan ssj>cell games goku ssj>gohan ssj>kid trunks ssj>goten ssj
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Goddess Ultimecia Oct 18 2013, 05:13 AM Post #28
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 Gohan was SSJ from the start. Him only being base is from the anime
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+ miguelnuva Oct 18 2013, 07:04 AM Post #29
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 I always went with the 1 form theory because for me Super Janemba rivals Super Buu at his minimum and at his max according to Toei he is stronger than Hirudagaran.
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Crow Oct 18 2013, 07:21 AM Post #30
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 Dosent the movies follow anime? So then janemba is up there with buutenks or buuhan.
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