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Oct 6 2013, 11:07 PM Post #16 |
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Does Broly starting off with a high BP have anything to do with his potential? I mean, is that something to really look at? Can he just be a special case or something? I dunno. Or perhaps his potential doesn't matter because SSjin4 actually brings out all of the dormant power that the warrior has in himself. Edited by Professor Gohan, Oct 6 2013, 11:08 PM.
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| Zenet | Oct 6 2013, 11:08 PM Post #17 |
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| SSJ | Oct 6 2013, 11:08 PM Post #18 |
 
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Well we know that SSJ Broly > SSJ Goku in all of the films, and I really doubt he trains. So he already has a much higher potential than Goku because of that.
Edited by SSJ, Oct 6 2013, 11:09 PM.
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| EMIYA | Oct 6 2013, 11:15 PM Post #19 |
"I am the bone of my sword."
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Alright here is the first issue. It seems to be a case that because Broly was born with a PL of 10,000 that he has high potential, this is not the case. Broly being born with a high PL does not note him as having high potential. Just like how Goku and Gohan being born with low powers didn't note them as having low potential, more so in Gohan's point. For Gohan, his potential is treated as a big deal. He gets massive increases, 1,000x and such in a single burst of rage. He can increase his power over 1,000x by literally training for a total of two years. Not only is Gohan's potential treated as amazing thing, but its something he can achieve in a very relatively short time. to put it simply, we have knowledge on Gohan's potential. We don't have that with Broly. We don't have something that says his potential is that high, he may very well have some decent potential, but nothing to suggest its on Gohan's level. All we know is that Broly was born with a PL of 10,000, got stabbed (mostly acquiring a Zenkai which such a thing has fluctuated all over the series) and spent most of his life with his father doing his bidding and not even getting his powers suppressed until he was an adult. Broly had years of time to evolve and be involved, he's had decades to have his powers worked on, trained and other things. The problem we have is that people seem to think that Broly must have amazing potential because he went from 10,000+Zenai from stabbing to being as strong as he by doing nothing. But Broly's had years of things to do, and more importantly, potential has to be brought out in someway. If Broly is literally doing nothing but just throwing some ki blasts and blowing up planets, he's not going to increase his power, his potential won't change. Potential has fluctuated throughout the entire series, sometimes its small, sometimes it big, but it has always had to be brought out. this might be through anger, through training, through a charm, through a ritual that actually brings out the potential because normally, people can't bring out that potential. In the span of about 20-25 years, achieving both an SSJ and LSSJ form, Broly went from a PL of 10,000 to more or less rivaling FP Perfect Cell. Gohan, in the span of about 10 or so years, got to a similar landscape of power just by achieving a single SSJ form and as we know, had even more vast power after that. We can't say that for Broly. We can suggest that he may have some decent potential, but we have nothing to suggest his potential is better than Gohan especially when nothing implies it and it kind of goes against established points. |
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Oct 6 2013, 11:38 PM Post #20 |
"Corona veniat electis."
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The way I see this is that Broly was 5000x over Goku at birth. He didn't train or do anything, yet his power was always driven higher and higher. M8 SSj4 Broly wouldn't clear this, but I suspect M10 would, and I have my reasons for this. I see a humongous difference between M10 Broly and M8 Broly, first of all, Broly had no trouble with his Ki whatsoever. He was just naturally fighting left and right. Second of all, he had an augmented potential because he was given a Zenkai. Third of all, the change of the tint of hair implies a change in his body. In M10, his power was NEVER limited by his body. Nothing shows otherwise. The M8 Broly you all know is what you're trying to say about his potential being limited. M10 Broly never implied such a thing anymore since he is towers of variation different. Daiz quote:
Even going to use a quote of a legendary member, " Broly's potential indeed was a s*** load of awesome sauce, but only at "that" time, whether it remained the same or surpassed in later time is not noted." Thus if we truly say that the SSj4 is a potential unlock, his SSj4 form is heavily above Goku as well. Potential wise, Pan > Broly >> Gohan > Goten > Raditz (?) > Goku > Vegeta > Bardock > Nappa > King Vegeta. It's like Broly who didn't train a goddamn day in his life but managed to overpower everyone. So take it as you will but Broly will beat a few in that list. Edited by Stallin', Oct 6 2013, 11:38 PM.
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| MW100 | Oct 6 2013, 11:46 PM Post #21 |
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what do you mean potential boost its just a multiplier just like the other forms and i say its way above base gohan fusion saga which > super buu >= ssj3 gotenks |
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| MW100 | Oct 6 2013, 11:49 PM Post #22 |
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get this through your head mystic/ultimate doesn't exist its just base form so no multiplier or boost cause its just base form not a transformation or a real form |
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| Zenet | Oct 6 2013, 11:59 PM Post #23 |
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Its not base form or else you would have SSJ Mystic. It also looks different than Base. Its a power up like the Kaio-ken nether a transformation or Base state. Chapter: 497 (DBZ 303), P4.1 Piccolo: “Is-is that Gohan…!? No…Something’s different about him…His features are a little different…And he has a different type of ki than before…His softness has vanished too…That’s why I couldn’t tell it was him…” Edited by Zenet, Oct 7 2013, 12:08 AM.
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| EMIYA | Oct 7 2013, 12:27 AM Post #24 |
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No, the Elder Kaioshin Ritual is a potential unlock where not only does Old Man Kaioshin unlock a person's potential, but brings their power beyond their potential. It's not a base form or anything, because Kaioshin specifically tells Gohan to transform into an SSJ to achieve his power. |
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| Zenet | Oct 7 2013, 12:31 AM Post #25 |
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Yeah I don't get that part since he then says its not a transformation by bashing transformations. I just say its a power up like the Kaioken attack which is said to be Neither a transformation or Base. |
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Oct 7 2013, 12:45 AM Post #26 |
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"Corona veniat electis."
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The GT Perfect Files states that Super Saiyan 4 brings out all the dormant power a Saiyan has hidden within them. Broly didn't have to expel Ki the second time he powered up in M8, or any moment given in M10. The claim that " His Ki may continue growing, but his body has its own limits and can't hold it all" becomes null at the point of M10 with clear logic. |
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| + Yusuke | Oct 7 2013, 12:50 AM Post #27 |
 
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LSSJ4 Broly would only beat SSJ2 Gotenks. He gets destroyed by SSJ3 Gotenks or Super Buu. |
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Oct 7 2013, 12:53 AM Post #28 |
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Broly one-shots the list, His potential is too big |
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| + miguelnuva | Oct 7 2013, 12:54 AM Post #29 |
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Broly uses LSSJ far less in M10 then M8 also his limit was greater due in part to being stronger. Also Broly expelled a lot more ki with the Omega blaster. |
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Oct 7 2013, 12:54 AM Post #30 |
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"Corona veniat electis."
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I would like to hear your pov on this. @miguelnuva Since when did Broly expel Ki like his LSSj form did in M8? And he uses LSSj far less? What does even mean? He used LSSj once in both movies. The only reason why he didn't use it earlier is because he can easily take on the kids as an SSj, and that Gohan jumped to SSj2 because he couldn't handle SSj Broly by himself as an MSSj. Broly "expelling Ki" because his Ki is too high with his Omega Blaster in M10 is like saying SPC "expelled" his KHH since he's too damn strong to contain it. Face it, M10 Broly is far different from M8 Broly. Edited by Stallin', Oct 7 2013, 12:59 AM.
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