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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Oct 3 2013, 11:10 PM Post #1 |
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In a lot of countries in Europe and Latin America pretty much nobody doesn't like soccer yet the stadiums are much smaller than American football stadiums. Some of the biggest teams in soccer have only 40000-50000 capacity whereas a lot of college stadiums for American football in the US have over that, and all NFL teams have stadiums that are over 60,000. With the NFL it's more understandable since they probably have supporters coming from far away and the US just has a big population, but with college teams I wouldn't expect the catchment area of fans to be that big, or maybe that's not true? Looking at average attendance figure both soccer stadiums in Europe and American football stadiums in the US are normally nearly at full capacity so it's not that American football stadiums are just bigger for a joke, so I guess it's more that soccer stadiums are actually just small, and looking at the history of Hampden Park the capacity there has been reduced by about 50000 or something since the 1960s so I was wondering if other soccer stadiums were also reduced in capacity. Also this doesn't seem like a case of USA stadiums just being bigger because baseball, basketball and ice hockey stadiums aren't that big (most are about 20000-30000). Does anybody know about this? So how why are soccer stadiums so small? Do you think they should be bigger? Edited by TrunksinSwimmingTrunks, Oct 3 2013, 11:12 PM.
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| + Pelador | Oct 3 2013, 11:21 PM Post #2 |
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It's because the stadiums in Europe mostly started off way smaller. A pitch with benches around it originally. Then as the teams get more successful and more popular, the stadiums grow to accommodate this. But they can only grow so large due to financial constraints and planning regulations. Then you have the issue pf parking. If you look at American Stadiums, they have s*** tons of parking available all around the building. Looks like it stretches for miles. European cities are generally too dense and built up to allow for the kind of space needed for adequate parking for huge stadiums. http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_football_stadiums_in_England |
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| Pookie | Oct 3 2013, 11:36 PM Post #3 |
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You also have to remember that in the U.S there is a larger population, and the teams are more spread out so they have to accommodate for more states/areas/regions. It is also the fact that American Football owners seem to be richer and have more success. You have to be careful though about what stadiums you are talking about. I know that the Bernabeu and the Camp Nou fit around 80,000-98,000 people. In general, I think soccer stadiums are smaller because the followers tend to go towards teams that are successful. There aren't many teams in futbol that are REALLY successful. For instance, Man U, Real Madrid, Bayern, Inter, etc. are those BIG clubs that do attract people. You wouldn't find many Celta Vigo fans like me (yes, they are a favorite, local team) because they haven't won anything. Edited by Pookie, Oct 3 2013, 11:38 PM.
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| + Pelador | Oct 3 2013, 11:53 PM Post #4 |
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That's an interesting point about the fan bases. There might be two or three huge stadiums per state and that's it, even in a place as huge as California or Texas. So in that respect they are probably too small for their purpose. Manchester also has at least 2 large stadiums but remember that it only has half the population of Dallas. Seems to me that the sizes usually reflect the population of the area they are in or the fanbases that follow the teams. |
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Oct 3 2013, 11:59 PM Post #5 |
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Yeh I did mention that the US has a bigger population in the opening post. And yeh I know there are a few bigger soccer stadiums but even those are about 20000 smaller than the biggest American football stadiums. And also some of the teams I'm talking about clubs that have won European cups and still for the most part have stadiums that are under 60,000 (like Ajax is 51000, Liverpool is 45000, PSV is 35,000, Porto is 52000). Teams that have never won anything in American football will all have stadiums bigger than 60,000. You might be right about the money thing, although a lot of clubs now have foreign owners with lots of money, and back in the day I can't imagine club owners in France and England not having enough money for expansions or relocations. Was thinking about density but didn't think of parking good point. Another thing I was thinking it could be is that European soccer stadiums might have more history so they're more reluctant to relocate to a bigger ground. As in because America is more sparsely populated than European countries in the past not maybe not so many people went to watch games because it was too hard to transport themselves over a large distance, whereas in Europe it would just be a few miles or less so it would be easier to get a fan following earlier on. Idk how many American football stadiums have relocated in the past few decades though. A lot of NFL teams are just quite new anyway so were built with a large capacity in mind whereas soccer stadiums are older so like Pel said a lot would start out small without ambitions to get 60000+ watching games. |
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| Pookie | Oct 4 2013, 12:08 AM Post #6 |
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The only thing I am going to add to your post Trunks is that Americans are usually about newer buildings/stadiums. This means that stadiums are updated more often, therefore, are more updated to suit the proper raising population. You won't see many historical buildings now and days in the U.S whereas in Europe they like to keep that "tradition." The difference is between night and day when you travel overseas. For instance, the Bernabeu was made in 1947 and hasn't changed much since then. Since that time, the NY Giants have had at least 2 stadiums. The first Giants stadium was made in 1976, and they recently made a new one. Edited by Pookie, Oct 4 2013, 12:08 AM.
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| Master Gohan | Oct 4 2013, 12:21 AM Post #7 |
 
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Some teams can't just go out and buy 90k seats gigantic stadiums, or else most of them would. But you have to realize, if you can build 90k you might only get 50k filled which would look awful because its empty. Money, and how large a fan base is what matters If a fanbase is 30k, why would they build a 60k stadium. |
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| TrunksinSwimmingTrunks | Oct 4 2013, 12:32 AM Post #8 |
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^Yes but something tells me that a team like Liverpool FC would be able to fill more than 90000 seats considering they have big fanbases within 2 hours of their stadium and have a big waiting list for season tickets. So yeh that post was kinda pointless 
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| Revious83 | Oct 13 2013, 06:44 AM Post #9 |
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I also read somewhere that there is a spectator limit in football(soccer) stadiums for safety limits. There have been incidents in which fan's panicked and some people got trampled to death.
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| + Ginyu | Oct 13 2013, 08:25 AM Post #10 |
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This is true, there have been incidents where hundreds of people were squeezed to death! Also the populatian thing is true, American stadium are multi-use stadiums, maybe there are less soccer fans in the U.S. But that doesn't mean there are less sports fans |
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| + Majin Vegeta | Oct 13 2013, 10:00 AM Post #11 |
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Well the Americans population is much bigger than Europes and Wurope soccer stadiums have began as small ones the only soccer stadiums which surpassed the 60.000 capacity is Camp not of Barchelona Bernabeu and some others as well
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| Shimazu | Feb 19 2014, 12:26 PM Post #12 |
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Also, big factor in this conversation, the transition from standing to seated. |
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| Shimazu | Feb 19 2014, 12:27 PM Post #13 |
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Also, big factor in this conversation, the transition from standing to seated. |
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