Master Gohan

Oct 2 2013, 12:57 PM

Confident for this week. I truly think the Giants will win this week. Best part is, the Cowboys play the Broncos (Most likely a loss) so if the Giants win, they would only be out 1 GAME if the Cowboys lose (most likely) 1-4 and 1 game back, crazy.

Hurry My Curry

Oct 2 2013, 10:20 PM

So Giants fans people, Da'rell Scott waived by Giants. This mean that Wilson is the unquestioned lead back? I mean, Brandon Jacobs can't get a ton of carries right?

Edit - I don't think its fair to blame the Giants struggles completely on the playcalling. When they did give Wilson a good amount of carries against Dallas, he rewarded them with two fumbles. He doesn't have any confidence in his own abilities, and that's more dangerous than anything. also you gotta admit that Eli has made some horrible decisions himself resulting in interceptions.

Hurry My Curry

Oct 2 2013, 10:20 PM

So Giants fans people, Da'rell Scott waived by Giants. This mean that Wilson is the unquestioned lead back? I mean, Brandon Jacobs can't get a ton of carries right?

Edit - I don't think its fair to blame the Giants struggles completely on the playcalling. When they did give Wilson a good amount of carries against Dallas, he rewarded them with two fumbles. He doesn't have any confidence in his own abilities, and that's more dangerous than anything. also you gotta admit that Eli has made some horrible decisions himself resulting in interceptions.

Pookie

Oct 3 2013, 01:05 AM

It used to be the toughest, but a lot has changed. This season anyway.

Why do you think he has to throw those passes Gohan? He is throwing the entire game and our O-line can't give him enough time to throw the long bombs that Gillbride likes to call all the time. He also is playing from behind so he has to take risks. When was the last time you saw us do a short pass or a screen pass that was successful? Gillbride is basically a long, play type of guy. The play calls are stale, not flexible, and most of all he doesn't run the ball.

The main reason Gillbrde's play calls aren't working is because we don't have a strong O-line to do it anymore. They have become old/injured and so he has to either evolve or change something with his play calls. I saw a couple of times in the Kansas City Chiefs game where David Wilson gained 8 yards on a run. Instead of running again, we tried two passing plays which usually ended up having us not convert the 3rd down.

I even saw at one point it be 3rd and one. We used David Wilson to run it rather than Jacobs whose specialty is on those short type of plays. It is beyond me why he would call something like that.

Quote:

 

Shaun O’Hara saw the same thing everyone else did, saw how the Giants offensive line was getting manhandled and abused early and often Sunday in Carolina. Thinking back to his days playing center in the middle of all that chaos, O’Hara wondered why offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride did not come up with some badly needed adjustments.

Pookie

Oct 3 2013, 02:19 AM

He does have to throw them if they are behind by a ton of scores. The one where he tossed it into the end zone against the Broncos I specifically remember Gillbride giving up on the run before the half was over, yet Peyton Manning, who calls his own plays, kept with the run despite having negative plays with it. Eventually, it broke down the entire Giants defense and won them the game.

The first interception against Dallas was his fault, but a lot of other ones weren't. When you are playing from behind with how behind the Giants have been in recent weeks, I blame it more so on the play calling with the lack of run that has been included. Eli Manning needs a run game.

Eli Manning is already a proven quarter back, therefore, I am not concerned with him. It has been stated over several weeks, by O'Hara, that the Offensive line has been extremely weak which means Eli has to throw the ball sooner than he would like too. Since most of the Giants plays take longer to develop, it means that there are going to be more issues.

There are rarely any quarterbacks who can play well in this league with a broken offensive line.

Ohara:

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Shaun O’Hara saw the same thing everyone else did, saw how the Giants offensive line was getting manhandled and abused early and often Sunday in Carolina. Thinking back to his days playing center in the middle of all that chaos, O’Hara wondered why offensive coordinator Kevin Gilbride did not come up with some badly needed adjustments.

article: http://nypost.com/2013/09/26/ohara-giants-o-line-didnt-adjust-to-panthers-beatdown/

Pookie

Oct 3 2013, 12:44 AM

Hurry My Curry

Oct 2 2013, 10:20 PM

So Giants fans people, Da'rell Scott waived by Giants. This mean that Wilson is the unquestioned lead back? I mean, Brandon Jacobs can't get a ton of carries right?

Edit - I don't think its fair to blame the Giants struggles completely on the playcalling. When they did give Wilson a good amount of carries against Dallas, he rewarded them with two fumbles. He doesn't have any confidence in his own abilities, and that's more dangerous than anything. also you gotta admit that Eli has made some horrible decisions himself resulting in interceptions.

@Hurry- This was on WEEK 1. WEEK 1! Where he was playing in a dallas stadium with 80,000 plus people, and it was his FIRST START. Do you know how many times Tiki Barber fumbled in his career? Do you want to know? Even after Tiki Barber fumbled, we'd put him in on the next play and let him run in every game no matter what happened.

You can't fault Wilson AFTER ONE GAME for fumbling when I've seen so many running backs do it who are EVEN more experienced than him. Tom Coughlin made him hold the ball, and he has learned the right way. He sat out and learned his lesson.

Since the Dallas game, he hasn't fumbled. I watch every snap, every play, and every minute of every Giants game. Wilson has not fumbled the ball since the Dallas game. Whenever he gets the ball, 8/10 times he will have positive yardage, and he is the type of guy that if he gets an opening has the break way speed . We have never had a running back like that. Tiki Barber was a great back that could cut and weave, but he didn't have the breakaway speed that Wilson does today so I do blame it on Gilldrive. He doesn't stick to the run period.

Eli Manning's bad decisions are based off the fact that he is put in terrible situations like coming from behind 30 points where he is forced to throw into triple coverage, he is being attacked from all sides because of our bad/injured/old O-line, and he has had some interceptions bounce off people's ankles.

He has to throw it because we don't have a running game because Gillbride won't stick with it. Eli Manning is not Peyton Manning, but even Peyton Manning will stick with the run because it keeps the offense from being one dimensional which the Giants have become. Even against the Giants, the Broncos ran the ball and we didn't do it all. Gillbride will stop running the ball after one negative play. I haven't seen the Giants run it on 3rd and short in A LONNNNNNNNNG TIME which we used to do all the time.


Edit:

Jacobs will probably get goal line carries and short and 3rd carries like he did when Bradshaw was on the team, but I highly doubt this because Gillbride doesn't stick to the run .

Hurry My Curry

Oct 3 2013, 06:03 AM

Pookie

Oct 3 2013, 12:44 AM

Hurry My Curry

Oct 2 2013, 10:20 PM

So Giants fans people, Da'rell Scott waived by Giants. This mean that Wilson is the unquestioned lead back? I mean, Brandon Jacobs can't get a ton of carries right?

Edit - I don't think its fair to blame the Giants struggles completely on the playcalling. When they did give Wilson a good amount of carries against Dallas, he rewarded them with two fumbles. He doesn't have any confidence in his own abilities, and that's more dangerous than anything. also you gotta admit that Eli has made some horrible decisions himself resulting in interceptions.

@Hurry- This was on WEEK 1. WEEK 1! Where he was playing in a dallas stadium with 80,000 plus people, and it was his FIRST START. Do you know how many times Tiki Barber fumbled in his career? Do you want to know? Even after Tiki Barber fumbled, we'd put him in on the next play and let him run in every game no matter what happened.

You can't fault Wilson AFTER ONE GAME for fumbling when I've seen so many running backs do it who are EVEN more experienced than him. Tom Coughlin made him hold the ball, and he has learned the right way. He sat out and learned his lesson.

Since the Dallas game, he hasn't fumbled. I watch every snap, every play, and every minute of every Giants game. Wilson has not fumbled the ball since the Dallas game. Whenever he gets the ball, 8/10 times he will have positive yardage, and he is the type of guy that if he gets an opening has the break way speed . We have never had a running back like that. Tiki Barber was a great back that could cut and weave, but he didn't have the breakaway speed that Wilson does today so I do blame it on Gilldrive. He doesn't stick to the run period.

Eli Manning's bad decisions are based off the fact that he is put in terrible situations like coming from behind 30 points where he is forced to throw into triple coverage, he is being attacked from all sides because of our bad/injured/old O-line, and he has had some interceptions bounce off people's ankles.

He has to throw it because we don't have a running game because Gillbride won't stick with it. Eli Manning is not Peyton Manning, but even Peyton Manning will stick with the run because it keeps the offense from being one dimensional which the Giants have become. Even against the Giants, the Broncos ran the ball and we didn't do it all. Gillbride will stop running the ball after one negative play. I haven't seen the Giants run it on 3rd and short in A LONNNNNNNNNG TIME which we used to do all the time.


Edit:

Jacobs will probably get goal line carries and short and 3rd carries like he did when Bradshaw was on the team, but I highly doubt this because Gillbride doesn't stick to the run .

He was benched in his rookie season for putting the ball on the ground, you can't do that as a running back. He comes in with his problems supposedly solved, and puts it on the ground again. Coughlin seems to think that he needed a place in his dog house. Plus comparing David Wilson to Tiki Barber, yikes.

I don't disagree that Eli has been put in bad decisions, but a QB always has the option to checkdown or throw the ball away. I just find it odd that with Victor Cruz and Hakeem Nicks out there (and even Reuben Randle to a lesser extent) that the Giants can't run the ball. A team with two stud receivers should have wide open running lanes. Is the o line THAT bad?

I mean the o line out in GB isn't great, but with Rodgers there, any competent running back (Lacy, Franklin, Starks) are all capable of putting up 100+. Bears have the same situation with Forte.

BTW, question never got answered. Is David Wilson the unquestioned leadback out there now? For fantasy football purposes lol. He's on the waiver wire.