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Marijuana legalization
Topic Started: Sep 26 2013, 10:27 AM (3,684 Views)
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Just because something is "ingrained into society" doesn't mean the situation can not change over time. Smoking tobacco used to an acceptable thing to everyone in the UK, yet now most people see it as a negative thing. Racism used to be ingrained into US society, yet now that's clearly not the case anywhere near as much as 5 decades ago. The status quo can always be broken, just not immediately. Educating people on the effects of drugs isn't as difficult for governments to do as you make out. National curriculums are changed from time to time so that's possible. A change to the national curriculum to equip citizens with greater critical thinking skills and also changes to the facts and evidence that pupils are presented about drugs in school (showing both the good and bad of common drugs) would lead being less accepting of alcohol use and more accepting of the potential for currently illegal drugs to be beneficial to both individuals and society. Of course having a government that actually wants people to be able to think critically and make informed decisions isn't so easy (right now in the UK the government is actually changing the curriculum to make it less focused on critical thinking, much to the disgust of teacher unions), but it's still not impossible for popular opinions to change. If legalisation of marijuana wasn't seen as a threat to alcohol companies and pharmaceutical companies' profits in the US (both of which are in the top 5 groups when it comes to lobbying against legalisation), and if companies didn't get so much money from throwing people in prison over marijuana possession and police forces didn't get so much of their funding from the drug war (the other 3 groups in the top 5 when it comes to lobbying against legalisation are for-profit prisons, Prison Warden unions and Police unions) marijuana would probably be legal and public attitudes to marijuana would be changing very fast as pupils would be educated differently about it in schools, and many news companies would cover the issue in a very different light. At the moment though it's much more profitable to pull the wool over people's eyes.
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I also forgot to mention that the average prisoner costs the same amount as tuition to Harvard. One year. One prisoner. The gains would be astronomical to get rid of a huge percentage of incarcerated citizens.
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I can't help but notice that some people are using personal preference over statistical information here.

Marijuana doesn't have the binding and extreme detrimental effects that people think because of the statistical information that surrounds it. Not because you smoke 5x a day and have a degree in astrophysics. This is a logical fallacy.

http://www.cancer.gov/cancertopics/pdq/cam/cannabis/patient/

This is a link to cannabis use by the National Cancer Institute

Here's a few select points.

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Antitumor activity

•Studies in mice and rats have shown that cannabinoids may inhibit tumor growth by causing cell death, blocking cell growth, and blocking the development of blood vessels needed by tumors to grow. Laboratory and animal studies have shown that cannabinoids may be able to kill cancer cells while protecting normal cells.

•A study in mice showed that cannabinoids may protect against inflammation of the colon and may have potential in reducing the risk of colon cancer, and possibly in its treatment.

•A laboratory study of delta-9-THC in hepatocellular carcinoma (liver cancer) cells showed that it damaged or killed the cancer cells. The same study of delta-9-THC in mouse models of liver cancer showed that it had antitumor effects. Delta-9-THC has been shown to cause these effects by acting on molecules that may also be found in non-small cell lung cancer cells and breast cancer cells.

•A laboratory study of cannabidiol in estrogen receptor positive and estrogen receptor negative breast cancer cells showed that it caused cancer cell death while having little effect on normal breast cells.

•A laboratory study of cannabidiol in human glioma cells showed that when given along with chemotherapy, cannabidiol may make chemotherapy more effective and increase cancer cell death without harming normal cells.


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Pain relief

•Cannabinoid receptors (molecules that bind cannabinoids) have been studied in the brain, spinal cord, and nerve endings throughout the body to understand their roles in pain relief.

•Cannabinoids have been studied for anti-inflammatory effects that may play a role in pain relief.


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Because Cannabis smoke contains many of the same substances as tobacco smoke, there are concerns about how smoked cannabis affects the lungs. A study of over 5,000 men and women without cancer over a period of 20 years found that smoking tobacco was linked with some loss of lung function but that occasional and low use of cannabis was not linked with loss of lung function.


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Because use of Cannabis over a long time may have harmful effects on the endocrine and reproductive systems, rates of testicular germ cell tumors (TGCTs) in Cannabis users have been studied. Larger studies that follow patients over time and laboratory studies of cannabinoid receptors in TGCTs are needed to find if there is a link between Cannabis use and a higher risk of TGCTs.

Both Cannabis and cannabinoids may be addictive.

Symptoms of withdrawal from cannabinoids may include:

•Irritability.

•Trouble sleeping.

•Restlessness.

•Hot flashes.

•Nausea and cramping (rarely occur).

These symptoms are mild compared to withdrawal from opiates and usually lessen after a few days.


The last one is where people are probably getting the whole testicular cancer thing from. Note that nothing says that Cannabis causes this, it notes that there may be a link between them.

Just to name a few points.
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Marijuana should be legalized. I don't use marijuana or any other drug but it doesn't harm the body. If someone want to participate in the usage of marijuana it should be one's right to do so. If laws were in place to deny the use of smokehouse by my tribe then I would go crazy and so the same goes to personal use of marijuana for others. It's a natural herb and trying to deny someone the use of any natural plant is ignorant in my opinion.

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Let's all not forget you used to be able to walk into your corner store and pick up some marijuana.

It was ingrained in our society. Marijuana was huge. It's only recently become banned.(Within the last 60 years)
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Indeed, was it Thomas Jefferson who had the pot farm and he gave it away to everyone?
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I am not at all against this
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Indeed, was it Thomas Jefferson who had the pot farm and he gave it away to everyone?
Yep~! Big George and Tommy J were stoners :)
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cocain was legal in shops a while back too wasn't it?

I think within 10 year marijuana will be a lot more widely accepted in law. in Ontario there is brothels that are still legal, surely marijuana will make a comeback here within 10 years.

I couldn't care either way, I rarely smoke weed now but it doesn't harm anyone, unless people are selling massive amounts of it and are getting into gang wars and stuff like that. but that wouldn't be a problem if it didn't become illegal in the first place.
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I am for legalizing it, but only for medical reasons and not for recreational usage.

However, I will say people are making it seem like marijuana is completely harmless in this topic. With any foreign substance going into your body, there can be some danger to it.

I mean this isn't the best example in the world, but it does show that it isn't as safe as everyone points it out to be. There can be problems associated with using it.

link: http://www.huffingtonpost.com/2013/11/11/marijuana-addiction-lady-gaga_n_4256546.html


This is from the American Lung Association:


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Marijuana smoke contains a greater amount of carcinogens than tobacco smoke. In addition, marijuana users usually inhale more deeply and hold their breath longer than tobacco smokers do, further increasing the lungs exposure to carcinogenic smoke. Marijuana use is not only associated with adverse physical effects, but also mental, emotional and behavioral changes.

People who smoke marijuana frequently, but do not smoke tobacco, have more health problems and miss more days of work than nonsmokers. Many of these extra sick days are due to respiratory illnesses.

Patients considering using marijuana for medicinal purposes should make this decision in consultation with their doctor, and consider means of administration other than smoking.


Link: http://www.lung.org/stop-smoking/about-smoking/health-effects/marijuana-smoke.html


Also, about the Alcohol consumption being completely bad in comparison to Marijuana usage, there are some benefits to drinking alcohol in moderate quantities. It is actually beneficial to drink a glass of wine a day.

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Lower Your Cholesterol

Alcohol also can have a very powerful effect and increase HDL "good" cholesterol by 20% if used moderately and in the context of a healthy diet along with regular physical activity, says Rimm. Higher HDL levels are linked to lower risks of heart disease.

"The research evidence points to ethanol, or the alcohol component, of beer, wine, or spirits as the substrate that can help lower cholesterol levels, increase 'good' HDL cholesterol," he says.

Boost Your Brain

A recent study shows a boost in brain power for women who enjoy a little alcohol. The study, published in the Jan. 20 issue of The New England Journal of Medicine, evaluated more than 12,000 women aged 70-81. Moderate drinkers scored better than teetotalers on tests of mental function. Researchers found a boost in brainpower with one drink a day. Moderate drinkers had a 23% reduced risk of mental decline compared with nondrinkers.


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I'mma say no it shouldn't be legal. But only because the government would tax the f*** out of it and make it way more cost a lot more than it does right now
Edited by AA500, Nov 30 2013, 03:12 AM.
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And so is eating from McDonalds. Point is, freedom is freedom. Because it is bad for you is only a good excuse when it kills people... Yeah.
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Legalizing Marijuana would have much more benefits than not legalizing it. Much deaths and violence caused by marijuana trafficiking could easily be prevented by legalizing the substance. If people can legally buy it, then they're put out of business, simple as that.

The real reason is that the government is paranoid enough to think that people will choose to smoke pot instead of working and contributing to the economy
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I have a bias against marijuana. I'm not sure why, I just tend to view it in a negative light. Maybe it's because where I'm from it's not as widely used as it is in America. Most of the people I know who smoke weed are from a 'chavvier' back ground, so I guess to me it's the same as why people look down on Burberry and tracksuits: the people who wear them (or use marijuana) are generally not that great an addition to society.

As time's gone on though, I've started to care less and less. I wouldn't do it myself, and I do resent what seems to be a common attitude among marijuana users (always talking about it, telling you to try it, acting as if using it somehow makes them 'cool'), but it's not my place to say it shouldn't be legal. Everything I've read about it talks about how it's not as bad as some of the legal drugs out there like alcohol and nicotine. If they legalise it then that allows them to gather a tax from it, which can only benefit the country.

As long as it falls under the same laws as smoking in this country, i.e. refrain from using it in public places, then I have no problem with it being legalised.
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My only qualm is that you smoke it (right?). I don't want that kind of second hand smoke anywhere near me. Same for cigarettes and stuff.
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