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| Master Gohan | Oct 8 2013, 05:30 PM Post #16 |
 
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I think its better that heroine is illegal. |
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| Fulgore | Oct 8 2013, 05:34 PM Post #17 |
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So, what's the benefit of tobacco or alcohol? If they can be consumed recreationally, then so should marijuana. Marijuana poses no proven downside compared to it's legal counterparts. Also, how often have you smoked? Do you need it for medicinal purposes? |
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| Yoeri | Oct 8 2013, 05:48 PM Post #18 |
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Oh yeah, I don't like tobacco and alcohol either. And I've never smoked weed. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Oct 8 2013, 06:55 PM Post #19 |
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Driving a Coupe ain't exactly a controversial issue with continuing research going into it though, is it? Unless I'm mistaken, anyway. @Neci - C'mon, man. You've got to police what people put in their bodies once it gets to a certain point. |
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| Krystal | Oct 8 2013, 07:07 PM Post #20 |
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I think we as people have addictive personalities. A lot of people have vices, or something they do in excess. A lot those are manifested as hobbies, others are chemical. I feel like Marijuana should be legal because it really is like tobacco or alcohol in effect, and it would do wonders for our economy if it were legal. We actually have ideal climate and soil for production, and the growing of marijuana would create a ton of jobs. It's original ban was actually not because of the drug properties, but because of the competition hemp posed for the paper industry. Personally, I don't think I'd smoke it much, because even as a legal drinker, I'm actually pretty picky about when I want to drink. What if I need to drive? Where am I, who am I taking care of, etc. But that's the point. I feel like marijuana can be used with the same responsibility as alcohol can. |
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| Cid | Oct 9 2013, 02:23 AM Post #21 |
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Prove to me it's bad. I'm not going to lie, I've been doing weed since 3 years ago, here are the results - - I'm not as stressed out, I can get stuff done quicker - My metabolism is better - I'm funnier, have more friends, and I'm much more active. I can name a million more if I wanted too. It's not bad, it's amazing. |
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Oct 9 2013, 07:53 AM Post #22 |
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After doing some research online (for whatever that's worth) I can not find a single legitimate claim or article that states that Marijuana actually causes cancer. In most studies I'm reading about, Marijuana has great medicinal properties. That's why they give it to people who have..medical..problems..huh. Crazy, ain't it? |
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| Sam | Oct 18 2013, 09:55 PM Post #23 |
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If you provide people with a true education and stopped allowing the alcohol and tobacco propaganda run rampant, things would be a lot better. Tobacco does cause cancer. A lot of it. If one flimsy study claims genital cancer, marijuana should be illegal? Millions die from alcohol. People treat it like its not that bad because it's legal but as a science oriented individual, I would put alcohol around the same level of harm as cocaine and heroin. The reason you don't think so is because our culture and advertising promotes alcohol and tobacco usage. You should have no say over what someone else wants to do with their bodies. If they want to marry someone of the same sex, that's their choice. If someone wants to shoot meth into their dick and watch Spongebob for five days straight, why is that YOUR choice? We live in a culture where we force our opinions on other people. Newsflash: Telling people they can't marry who they want is the same as saying they can't do some drug. It's limiting someone else's free will because you believe everyone else should have your beliefs. It's a culture of insecurity. If drugs were legal, there would be little to no street violence, drugs would be much cleaner and therefore a LOT more safe. People would have proper educations on this kind of stuff instead of what mom and dad and Uncle Sam have brainwashed you into making your laws into your morality. If your laws match your moral compass, you have been brainwashed. The same people claim they are free, but, they cannot know true freedom when their government has so thoroughly brainwashed them. People may find my comparison of gay marriage to drug legalization as offensive or incredulous, as being intoxicated on drugs and harming others is more likely to happen than a gay marriage. This much is true. But we let millions die by letting advertisements dictate our knowledge on alcohol and tobacco, allowing tens of millions to die. We have prescription meth, cocaine and heroin. If people were properly educated on all drugs, ALL drugs would cause less deaths, be more pure, no "war on drugs". Because wars end. Drugs don't. If marijuana and cocaine should be illegal, then so should alcohol and tobacco. Claiming otherwise is obvious hypocrisy and uneducated. I'm not claiming to be Mr. Scientist on this stuff but I have observed people under the influence of most drugs and have found that LSD, psilocybin, mescaline, marijuana, kratom, ecstasy, among others, are less harmful than alcohol and tobacco. In fact, the amount of deaths directly caused by the above list of drugs? Zero. Zero. But, when someone asks you about alcohol or tobacco, because Uncle Sam says its okay, you parrot the exact same opinion I have about it being an individuals choice, despite the strictly recreational and dangerous effects of tobacco and alcohol. That drunk driver who kills an entire family can go out to the bar and get in a shot competition over masculinity and uneducated stupidity, but these rather physically benign and medicinal drugs should be banned? I have read hundreds of scientific studies. I study people under the influence and take notes whenever I can. As I said, if your morality is aligned with the laws that govern you, you are brainwashed. The fact that you guys think my opinion is ridiculous without doing any meaningful research and taking your government's word is being brainwashed. The illegality of marijuana and other drugs is not because they are bad for you. It's strictly political. People don't seem to understand that. They ignore the pretty obvious and straightforward logical approach I have to this and say I'm nuts because they trust their government without question. Edited by Sam, Oct 18 2013, 10:03 PM.
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| + Ginyu | Oct 18 2013, 10:00 PM Post #24 |
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Definitely, it would Greatly reduce criminality |
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| tOMMY pICKLES | Oct 18 2013, 10:10 PM Post #25 |
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doing weed lol. Im going to just argue your facts here. ( I am for weed I see no problem in it btw) I have a friend who is SUPER smart, he smokes tons of dope. he cant study or do anything unless he has smoked. which actually stresses him out because he cant really study at school unless he is high. metabolism I wont touch because I actually think your right on that one. the funnier having more friends part I do not believe. I hang out with my stoner friends a lot less, they all just hang out with themselves, because everyone else finds them pretty annoying when they are high. smoking dope to get more friends makes no sense to me. it will just let u fit in with other people who smoke pot, u could just play sports to do the same thing. Like I said I would like to see marijuana legal. some of my smartest and most athletic friends smoke dope and I think it is good for your health, mentally and physically. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Oct 18 2013, 10:42 PM Post #26 |
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The problem is, alcohol and tobacco are ingrained in society. They've been legal for so long that the consequences aren't really looked upon in a massive amount of detail. Guns are the cause of countless deaths. The logical approach is that, for the most part, people shouldn't be entitled to own guns, as that would lower the amount of deaths and be beneficial to society as a whole, yes? However, the idea of owning guns is ingrained in everybody's minds, so much so that trying to change it is, at the very, very best, a losing battle. Just as I can't get guns banned due to the negative stigma attached to my desired action, you can't have the drugs you listed legalised because of the negative stigma attached to the drugs themselves. Like it or not, that's how it works. It doesn't matter if people are right or wrong, their opinion (however uneducated it might be) is still the final say on the matter. Trying to educate everyone would be very impracticable; imagine the number of programs you'd have to initiate in order to provide people with the means of learning about them. Then there's the cost of all the further research that would have to be carried out to validate findings. Even then, people would have to be legitimately interested in the topic in order to learn about it. If you try and force somebody to learn something, they're either going to ignore it completely or develop an incorrect view of it, entirely defeating the point. At the end of the day, the people have spoken. It may not be correct, it may not be preferable, but for now, it's been decided. Also, on the point of you comparing marriage to taking drugs - People taking drugs have the ability to eventually stop taking them, through rehabilitation and 'weaning', no? Emotions can't be dealt with that easily. Also, you'd be bringing in the whole topic of human rights, which I'd be willing to discuss if you want. Edited by Yu Narukami, Oct 18 2013, 10:45 PM.
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| Sam | Oct 19 2013, 12:23 AM Post #27 |
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I completely agree. I am going to be going through official pharmaceutical and drug courses andhave read many studies. You nailed the problem on the head in that first paragraph. People who accept the status quo without question I consider brainwashed. It's the population that spout opinions on this subject just because mom and dad told them how to think. Completely objective thinking on the matter like I detailed would eliminate a LOT of problems. It's engrained in our culture, as you said. I think the biggest bulls*** argument is that a drug is bad for you. Meth would not rot your flesh off if it wasn't made in a bathtub. It is the chemical byproducts and impurities that damage your body, not the chemical methamphetamine. Just like smoking tobacco is horrible for you, vaporizing it to extract the nicotine is not. While you would still get addicted to nicotine and meth if they were in their pure states, they wouldn't cause the damage that they do. Alcohol and tobacco are terrible for you, but, because they are a central part of our culture, we talk about how all these drugs are banned because they are evil and horrible but really they were banned for political, not harm reduction reasons. Harm reduction on our governments behalf would be making the drugs themselves, selling them on the internet or on a similar platform and requiring people to have completed a drug education course before they decided to use. Removing advertising on them would be a HUGE step to aid in harm reduction, both in my hypothetical "all drugs are legal" AND even if only tobacco and alcohol were. It's oxymoronic that people use "drugs are bad for you" as an excuse, when alcohol and tobacco are two of the worst ones in their traditional forms of consumption. And they also have no real knowledge on how the drugs work. Fun fact: LSD is half as toxic to your body as table sugar. A can of pepsi is worse for you than a hit of acid, physically speaking. Marijuana would also be very helpful if legalized in some medicinal senses because we could reverse engineer it, in a way, and create a drug with the opposite effects. For instance, marijuana is a cannabinoid receptor agonist. A cannabinoid receptor antagonist would make it so marijuana would not work on you. Just as marijuana increases appetite, the antagonist version would reduce your appetite and be great for weight loss. There was a drug that was made like this but because of the status of marijuana legally and the lack of funding it had a lot of problems and damaged the liver. It's likely we could perfect a version of that drug if allowed more study. Edited by Sam, Oct 19 2013, 12:25 AM.
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| Master Gohan | Oct 19 2013, 12:34 AM Post #28 |
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I just hope they don't legalize meth/cocaine/herion. That would suck... |
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| DaemonsWench81 | Oct 19 2013, 05:11 AM Post #29 |
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This is always an interesting discussion for me because a big part of me says yes legalize it...and for decent reasons. If you legalize it, one of the major things it is going to do is cut down on drug related crimes. What that means is less tax dollars going to the prosecution of these causes, less people in the jail system we are paying for etc. But it also means that the people who "survive" by being drug sellers are going to have to get off their a*** and do something else. Now that comes with downsides because its not like you expect them to start living good lives necessarily, they will probably start moving to other drugs, but you never know, you might get a good turn out and people will grown and surprise you. Now some of the down sides are things I have seen personally. I know people with addictive natures, and my own ex-step father was a pot smoker. He could not/would not function without getting his hits in. It was a serious crutch for him that ultimately made him and my mother split...something I am glad of btw. (lol) Going back to topic you have the issue that it would make some lives worse off... Has it helped people...very much so. Has it hurt people...very much so. So do you legalize it AND try to control it? Or do you leave it as it is...or legalize it and see what happens? Personally I would like to see it legalized and see what happens...sure I know there would have to be a give point if things are going bad...but I would be very curious what would happen. |
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| Sam | Oct 19 2013, 09:10 AM Post #30 |
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Already are all legal for medicinal purposes in various parts of the world  People hurt themselves, not the substance. You can die from drinking too much water. That doesn't mean water is bad. It means the person consuming it f***ed up. |
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