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Seahawks overrated?
Tweet Topic Started: Sep 9 2013, 07:08 PM (3,124 Views)
Fulgore	Sep 9 2013, 07:08 PM Post #1
The Darkness Returns Posts: 3,163 Group: Member Member #5,205 Joined: September 2, 2010	Looks like Russel Wilsons hit a sophomore slump. He barely managed to beat the Carolina Panthers..which have arguably one of the worst secondaries in the league. Will their game vs the Niners reveal them to the posers that they are?
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~~Volt the Mean~~	Oct 31 2013, 07:03 AM Post #61
Posts: 909 Group: Suspended Member #8,024 Joined: July 28, 2012 Gender Male Country United States	@RebelX Quote: Okay so you are saying that they are over rated because they have all the hype and they're not living up to it. Pretty much, they are winning, but only by the skin of their teeth and not only that but against lower tier teams, the only actual good playoff bound team the seahwaks have played are the Colts and they lost. The Niners also, but at that time 2 months ago the Niners still weren't all there offensively. Also the Titans played seattle at C-link and almost came away with a win, so it shows seattle can be beat at home, and was beat at home already by the Packers... Edited by Volt the Mean, Oct 31 2013, 07:14 AM.



tOMMY pICKLES	Oct 31 2013, 09:25 PM Post #62
Yare Yare Daze Posts: 3,780 Group: Humanoid Typhoon Member #8,557 Joined: November 13, 2012 Gender Other Country Canada Favourite Anime Cowbow Bebop. Trigun. Samurai Champloo. JJBA. FMA:B. What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk, JJBA	since when does a super bowl calibar team have to dominate weaker teams? Great teams have off games. its better they have those games now than when they are playing a better team. i said it at the start of the year. RW is a gamer, hell do everything he can to win the "BIG" games. im not gunna sit here and say the seahawks are the best team in the league or even in the top three. but what i am gunna say is that they are an elite team and have a good shot to get to the superbowl last 2 years only one QB with more wins than Wilson. peyton manning. Wilson tied with tom brady for second that's one thing you cant deny the guy. he WINS games. does he need to put up huge numbers and blow bad teams out....NO THEY DONT ASK HOW THEY ASK HOW MANY Edited by tOMMY pICKLES, Oct 31 2013, 09:26 PM.



Fulgore	Oct 31 2013, 10:15 PM Post #63
The Darkness Returns Posts: 3,163 Group: Member Member #5,205 Joined: September 2, 2010	wtvr Oct 31 2013, 09:25 PM since when does a super bowl calibar team have to dominate weaker teams? Great teams have off games. its better they have those games now than when they are playing a better team. i said it at the start of the year. RW is a gamer, hell do everything he can to win the "BIG" games. im not gunna sit here and say the seahawks are the best team in the league or even in the top three. but what i am gunna say is that they are an elite team and have a good shot to get to the superbowl last 2 years only one QB with more wins than Wilson. peyton manning. Wilson tied with tom brady for second that's one thing you cant deny the guy. he WINS games. does he need to put up huge numbers and blow bad teams out....NO THEY DONT ASK HOW THEY ASK HOW MANY Since they're being declared the most complete team in the NFC. A Complete team doesn't lose to weaker teams. Hence Complete Hence they're overrated. FYI if english has eluded any of you Overrated = over-hyped, being declared better than they actually are, etc. RW did great last year. This year he's being caught, clobbered and exposed. His defense is making huge stops to save his a*. He's not posting those huge 48-0 blowouts. He's not producing like he was hyped to.Stats don't lie. Which reveals the MOST COMPLETE team is clearly the most OVERRATED. No one says OH THE CHIEFS OFFENSE IS AMAZING! No. They say how amazing the Chiefs Defense is, thats why you don't call them overrated. However, while people are still calling the seahawks a complete team and barely beating wounded teams like the rams and their second string second string says enough to me Edited by Fulgore**, Oct 31 2013, 10:22 PM.
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Fulgore	Oct 31 2013, 10:19 PM Post #64
The Darkness Returns Posts: 3,163 Group: Member Member #5,205 Joined: September 2, 2010	delete -_- Edited by Fulgore, Oct 31 2013, 10:19 PM.
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~~Volt the Mean~~	Oct 31 2013, 10:27 PM Post #65
Posts: 909 Group: Suspended Member #8,024 Joined: July 28, 2012 Gender Male Country United States	@WTVR Quote: since when does a super bowl calibar team have to dominate weaker teams? That question answers itself, a SB caliber roster needs to destroy lower tier teams, Steelers did it with their defense, the Saints did it in 2009, the Packers did in the 2010-11 season. If you're a SB caliber team/roster like you guys make the seahawks to be, why shouldn't they just beat them convincingly? They don't and were 3 yards away from losing to the Rams... and won by the skin of their teeth against the Titans, these "weaker" teams, are not gonna be in the playoffs, good playoff teams will be in the playoffs they're not gonna give these type of games to the seahawks. Quote: RW is a gamer, hell do everything he can to win the "BIG" games. Excuse me what "BIG" game? Against the Falcons in the playoffs? Oh wait. Quote: im not gunna sit here and say the seahawks are the best team in the league or even in the top three. But most of you including yourself DID say the seahawks were a top 2 team along with the Broncos, if Clemons did that against the seahawks secondary imagine what Peyton would do!... LOL, don't backtrack. Lol according to you there not even a top 3 team anymore. lol Quote: last 2 years only one QB with more wins than Wilson. peyton manning. Wilson tied with tom brady for second Good for them how many SB's did those QB's win in those 2 years? Quote: that's one thing you cant deny the guy. he WINS games. So does Alex Smith and your point is? So by your point of view Alex Smith is a better QB cuz he led his team to a 8-0 record? Quote: does he need to put up huge numbers and blow bad teams out....NO Well HE hasn't blown any team out, except the Niners in week 2 and Jags in week 3, every game after that every game the Seahawks have played could have gone either way. Quote: THEY DONT ASK HOW THEY ASK HOW MANY The amount of wins doesn't entitle you to a SB ring. Go ask the Patriots team that nearly went perfect, or the Dolphins for that matter... Or the Packers, Falcons, Broncos, and Texans from last year, all those teams won a bunch of games and what do they have to show for it? Edited by Volt the Mean, Oct 31 2013, 10:30 PM.



tOMMY pICKLES	Oct 31 2013, 10:44 PM Post #66
Yare Yare Daze Posts: 3,780 Group: Humanoid Typhoon Member #8,557 Joined: November 13, 2012 Gender Other Country Canada Favourite Anime Cowbow Bebop. Trigun. Samurai Champloo. JJBA. FMA:B. What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk, JJBA	ok jesus lol. in sports. a worse team can come up and play a good game against a better team. jesus it happens in EVERY sport. can the seahawks not go through a slump and still be considered one of the elite teams of the league? you can say anything you want but if the seahawks keep winning games, no matter wich way I will still feel the same way about them. if they lost the last couple games then yah I would say they aren't as good as we thought. but guess what. good teams win games. that's the bottom line. who are you guys gunna say are the elite teams in the nfl right now? the chiefs? they only beat Houston by 1 point. they only beat the browns by 6... they havnt had a tough year of opponents so far the best team they played was the cowboys followed by the titans... and im sure you guys will put them in the elite talk.. but so would I so far....because there winning games...



Fulgore	Oct 31 2013, 10:46 PM Post #67
The Darkness Returns Posts: 3,163 Group: Member Member #5,205 Joined: September 2, 2010	No, I wouldn't say the chiefs are the top team. You're going off stupid logic by judging a team by wins, once again.
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tOMMY pICKLES	Oct 31 2013, 10:57 PM Post #68
Yare Yare Daze Posts: 3,780 Group: Humanoid Typhoon Member #8,557 Joined: November 13, 2012 Gender Other Country Canada Favourite Anime Cowbow Bebop. Trigun. Samurai Champloo. JJBA. FMA:B. What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Berserk, JJBA	ok then who are the elite teams? your definition of an elite "team" could differ from mine so give me what you need to see to be an elite team. do you see any elite teams ? last time I checked wins mattered, nothing else matters as long as you win and continue to win. if the seahawks play like they have against a good team will they lose. yes. but they are going to play better as the competition rises. this happens in sports all the time. ive been personally apart of plenty teams like this. Edited by tOMMY pICKLES, Oct 31 2013, 11:00 PM.



Pookie	Nov 1 2013, 02:01 AM Post #69
Pookie Powa! Posts: 18,039 Group: Princesa Pookie Member #1,340 Joined: April 21, 2006 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome and Firefox	I want to ask Fulgore and Volt question. Do you two ever look at logic and say hmm that might be a good point? Fact: Seahawks are 7-1 Fact: Seahawks defeated the 49ers in week 2 Fact: There is no easy game in the NFL Fact: Defense wins games Fact: Seahawks are tough to beat at home Fact: The Seahawks and 49ers have played the same teams and one of them has the better record Fact: A win is a win Not a fact: The Seahawks are overrated Edited by Pookie, Nov 1 2013, 02:03 AM.



Fulgore	Nov 1 2013, 02:06 AM Post #70
The Darkness Returns Posts: 3,163 Group: Member Member #5,205 Joined: September 2, 2010	I want to ask Fulgore and Volt question. Do you two ever look at logic and say hmm Fact: Seahawks are 7-1 - And about 4 plays away from 4-4 Fact: Seahawks defeated the 49ers in week 2 - Irrelevant until they beat us at Candelstick, also irrelevant to this conversation. Fact: There is no easy game in the NFL - Irrelevant. Fact: Defense wins games - And the Seahawks defense is barely posting wins. Fact: Seahawks are tough to beat at home - Only because of the 12th man, and they also almost posted a loss to the Titans at home. They're waivering. Fact: The Seahawks and 49ers have played the same teams and one of them has the better record - Uhh? This is not about the 49ers. Stop trying to attack us. Fact: A win is a win -- No Not in the context of determing if a team is good not. Stop get your fai logic out of here. Not a fact: The Seahawks are overrated - They are, considering they're supposed to be clear superbowl favorites when this topic was posted. I saw the glaring weakness in the seahawks. They're just finally opening peoples eyes. Fact: you just want to attack me on the fact that I called your Giants out. Fact: This is a topic about the seahawks, not the 49ers @wtvr Strength of schedule means a lot. Also, how soundly you defeat teams thay are clearly not playing well(on 3rd string QBs for example) The chiefs may be 8-0 but the teams they've not yet been tested. None of the teams they've played have posted a .500 record or better. Once they've paired off against San Diego and the Broncos we'll see how much of a shot they really have. Chiefs have skated by barely against a lot of wounded teams. They won't get away with the games they've played in the playoffs. Edited by Fulgore, Nov 1 2013, 02:16 AM.
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Pookie	Nov 1 2013, 02:39 AM Post #71
Pookie Powa! Posts: 18,039 Group: Princesa Pookie Member #1,340 Joined: April 21, 2006 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Google Chrome and Firefox	Quote: Fact: Seahawks are 7-1 - And about 4 plays away from 4-4 A win is a win Quote: Fact: Seahawks defeated the 49ers in week 2 - Irrelevant until they beat us at Candelstick, also irrelevant to this conversation. It is relevant to this conversation because you brought it up in the other discussion. You said that the 49ers have been defeating teams by a lot of points which means they are a play off bound team whereas the Seahawks, since they have barely been winning, are not. Quote: Fact: There is no easy game in the NFL - Irrelevant. It is relevant because of what I said in the last quoted comment. It doesn't matter at all if a team wins by 30 or if a team wins by 3 because at the end of the day, it's a victory. Quote: Fact: Defense wins games - And the Seahawks defense is barely posting wins. Win= win Quote: Fact: Seahawks are tough to beat at home - Only because of the 12th man, and they also almost posted a loss to the Titans at home. They're waivering. They are still winning games so that doesn't make any sense. Quote: Fact: The Seahawks and 49ers have played the same teams and one of them has the better record - Uhh? This is not about the 49ers. Stop trying to attack us. I am not attacking you. I'm using logic by using a team that is in the same division that is a great team in itself. They have a similar schedule no? Quote: Fact: A win is a win -- No Not in the context of determing if a team is good not. Stop get your fai logic out of here. Okay, so you're saying that a team has to win by a margin 40 points to be considered a good team in comparison to others? Quote: Not a fact: The Seahawks are overrated - They are, considering they're supposed to be clear superbowl favorites when this topic was posted. I saw the glaring weakness in the seahawks. They're just finally opening peoples eyes. They haven't opened my eyes yet. They are still 7-1. Quote: Fact: you just want to attack me on the fact that I called your Giants out. No, I am attacking you because you have a biased opinion. You'll give the 49ers the benefit of the doubt, but any other team, with similar issues, they are automatically overrated. Quote: Fact: This is a topic about the seahawks, not the 49ers I am bringing up the 49ers because they have played the same schedule. You said that Seahawks are overrated, therefore, I am saying that them defeating a very solid 49ers team is proof that they aren't. I don't see how you don't get that?



Master Gohan	Nov 1 2013, 02:46 AM Post #72
Posts: 2,178 Group: New York Yankee Member #9,780 Joined: July 21, 2013 Gender Male Country United States Favourite Anime KIll la Kill, No Game No Life, Code Geass, Gosick, Log Horizon, Steins;Gate	Let me just point to SB caliber teams dominating opponents, 2007 AND 2011 Giants. They dominated NO ONE, but they won it. You can be the Broncos, destroy everyone but lose, or squeak by in games and win it all. Seahawks have just as good a chance as the Broncos.



Hurry My Curry	Nov 1 2013, 04:48 AM Post #73
Master Troll Posts: 3,800 Group: Members Member #7,981 Joined: July 20, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Volt the Mean Oct 31 2013, 06:29 AM Quote: Against good passing teams like the Texans and Colts most notably, The Texans were tearing the Seattle's defense apart, and the Colts TORE them apart, through all 4 quarters Even with the great game by TY Hilton, the Hawks are giving up only 184 passing YPG, good for 3rd in the league . Also, they are allowing a completion percentage of only 57.4% and have given up 6 passing TD's to 13 interceptions. They are tied for first in interceptions, and tied for 2nd in TD's allowed..So no, their secondary is not overrated. http://espn.go.com/nfl/statistics/team/_/stat/passing/position/defense You are right about the Seahawks front 7, they are in the bottom half of the league in rushing YPG, but to discredit their secondary is not right. Quote: Then what does that say about RW, he only threw for 138, So is the Rams secondary better than Seattles? lol, does that maKe a backup QB like Kellen Clemons better than RW? The Rams O-lines is average except for Jake Long... The fact that Seattle gave up those passing yards was a let down for the so called "legion of boom" LOL What does it say about Russell Wilson. I don't understand the comparison you are trying to make. He's a 2nd year QB, expecting him to dominate every game WHEN HE DOESNT NEED TO is wrong...Again...they gave up 150 yds passing, well below the average for a QB per game. what point are you trying to make? Quote: Match ups my friend, Ty Hilton matched up beautifully against seattles secondary, Seattle plays mainly MAN 2 MAN/PRESS, which is good towards big tall receivers, not against fast shifty down field threats like Hilton, pretty simple... October 17 versus the Cardinals,the top receiver had only 58 yards, Larry Fitzgerald had just two catches for 17 yards. Versus the Titans, the most yards by a receiver was 69 by Kendall Wright. The Hawks secondary was, as you said, manhandled by Andre johnson to the tune of 10 catches for 110 yards. But come on, it's Andre Johnson. He's a tough dude to stop. Versus the Jaguars, Cecil Shorts had 143 yards, but that game was a blow out and much of those yards were garbage time. Versus the 49ers, the top receiver was Kyle Williams who had 39 yards. Versus the Panthers, the number one receiver was Greg Olsen who had 56 yards. So..besides TY hilton (best game of the season for him) and All-Pro Wide Receiver Andre johnson, no team has had much success against the Hawks secondary. They are as good as advertised. Quote: Yea the seahawks are 7-1 but only by the skin of their teeth, Elite playoff teams will NOT let that happen, D. Williams should have slid and stay in bounds to run out the Clock. Matt Shaub went full potato, and threw the ball right into Shermans hands, that was ALL on Shaub, and Legatron Shouldn't have missed that FG he is known for making long FG's that's his thing. lol what, Jacoby Jones escapes behind Rahim Moore in 2012. Kyle Williams fumbles away the game for the 49ers, 2011. This does happen in the playoffs too. Every team needs a bit of luck to win the SB. Quote: In those 3 games the Niners didn't even bother running the ball. And when they finally remembered what took them to the NFCCG, and the SB, they went back to the run and are 6-2 since Like Frank Gore to begin the season, Marshawn Lynch only receiverd 8 carries himself. If Gore gets a pass for 3 games, surely Lynch deserves one for this one game no? Quote: Injuries happen, those 3 linemen didn't really play to RW advantages anyway, RW was never a pocket passer, last year and this year when they were healthy, Aldon tore up that O-line and sacked RW 3 times if I remember correctly. lol And as for Percy, I hope you know the injury he suffered was that he tore his hip muscle, that is where defensive players hit and damage the most, and those hips are what make Harvin so dangerous he's a shifty WR, and FWI earlier this week he re-injured it, not to much but just enough to know he won't be ready for at least two more weeks, and two weeks to be acclimated to the offense. What...Wilson was sacked like 80 times versus the Rams. You telling me 3 starting caliber o line men wouldn't help keep him upright? A guy that size has no business leaving the pocket if he doesn't have to lol. Yeah he scrambles a lot, but only when he has to, like when he has to elude pressure. Oh yes, I understand Harvin is going to take shots there, but he does add an explosive element to the Hawks offense that they are lacking currently. Also, reports were that he could have player week 8, but he had a minor setback. He is on track for week 9 tho. Quote: The number of wins don't determine whether you win a SB or not, look at your Ravens, and the Giants back in 2011, both wildcards and won the SB. Or the Falcons and Packers last year, tons of wins but... Well ya know. I think you missed the point. Your whole argument is that the Hawks aren't dominating inferior teams like an elite team should. Well I think we can both agree that the 49ers were a superior team to the Ravens in the SB, but the Ravens still won the game and it wasn't pretty in the end. Whether you win by 50 or 1, a win is a win in the regular season and playoffs. Edit - You have made some solid points, and I do believe they are a bit overrated. That being, that they are not a better team than the Broncos or 49ers, but I think they are right up there. But I hope, you can see that they are still an elite NFL team. Quote: Pretty much, they are winning, but only by the skin of their teeth and not only that but against lower tier teams, the only actual good playoff bound team the seahwaks have played are the Colts and they lost. The Niners also, but at that time 2 months ago the Niners still weren't all there offensively. Also the Titans played seattle at C-link and almost came away with a win, so it shows seattle can be beat at home, and was beat at home already by the Packers... Are we not giving the Seahawks any credit for an excellent defensive game plan versus the 49ers? IIRC, Kaep did throw 3 interceptions. Also, while Gore didn't get many carries, the 9 he did get yielded 16 yards. An average of 1.8 YPC. Can you justify giving him the ball more AT THAT TIME? In hindsight, it's easy to say that the 49ers should have stuck with Gore. But the Titans still lost lol...When was the last time anyone went to Seattle and came away with a win anyway? I honestly can't remember. When did the Hawks play the Packers? Did I miss something? Edit 2.0 - AYY THE BIG 2,500 POST COUNT! Edited by Hurry My Curry, Nov 1 2013, 05:04 AM.
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