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| Fulgore | Sep 9 2013, 07:08 PM Post #1 |
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Looks like Russel Wilsons hit a sophomore slump. He barely managed to beat the Carolina Panthers..which have arguably one of the worst secondaries in the league. Will their game vs the Niners reveal them to the posers that they are? |
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| Fulgore | Sep 12 2013, 02:42 PM Post #16 |
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...You guys need to do some research. The 12th Man is the fans. CLinks is notorious for how loud it gets, and the "12th man" which the volume gets to ridiculous loud decibels when away teams come. http://www.seahawks.com/12th-Man/index.html Also, Carolina averaged 18th in points allowed per game, beaten out by the Packers defense who sat at 11. Like I said, I don't think they were that good. Edited by Fulgore, Sep 12 2013, 02:48 PM.
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| Pookie | Sep 12 2013, 02:53 PM Post #17 |
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Russel Wilson is in a sophomore slump because he had one bad game against a team that obviously isn't a push over? This doesn't make any sense to me. If Kaepernick has a bad game in a week or two, can I say the same? The Carolina Panthers do have Cam Netwon which I have said several times. They aren't exactly without weapons. In the NFL, any team can beat any team at any point. This is what I have learned when watching the NFL for so many years. Even if the Panthers were statistically inferior, it doesn't mean jack squat to me.
No, it actually won't. You can't determine a team being bad after one or two games. As far as I'm concerned, if they reach the playoffs that is where they will be determined as "posers" or not. I do believe that the 49ers will win simply because they look really strong. I do say that they are probably the best team on paper. The 49ers will be a difficult team to play, but other then that, I hope they don't win so that fans like you can pipe down. Edited by Pookie, Sep 12 2013, 02:55 PM.
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| Fulgore | Sep 12 2013, 03:03 PM Post #18 |
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I wasn't the one who brought statistics into this :P Someone went and quoted them as the 10th overall Defense..which they clearly were exploited in many different areas. They let plenty of points up on the board, which is why Cam Newton couldn't do anything.. I don't think Cam Newton has the mindset of the QB carolina needs. He's talented, but too young to be effective yet. Russel Wilson only showed me that he was no able to address the issues that I already knew existed with the seahawks. They have plenty of guys who can blow coverage down a 50 yard stretch, but very few who can shake coverage over 15 yards. The fact that Carolina stifled both Russel Wilson and Marshawn lynch spoke LOUD and clear to me. I was expecting a 21+ point outing from Wilson and co. He failed to deliver, to like I said in my opinion a mediocre Defense The Seahawks Defense, is not in question keep in mind. Just the fabled Wilson who is apparently one of the best QBs. Edited by Fulgore, Sep 12 2013, 03:14 PM.
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| Pookie | Sep 12 2013, 03:25 PM Post #19 |
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I think Carolina Panther fans would disagree with you saying that Cam Netwon doesn't have the mindset for their team. It's the fact that the Panthers don't have enough weapons yet to provide Newton with what he needs in order to be a top tier quarterback along with a top notch team. Cam Netwon is not the issue.
After one game, you're going to say that Russel Wilson is the problem for the lack of "ability" his receivers have? This makes no sense to me.
I think you should know by now that nothing is guaranteed in the NFL.
Are you sure this isn't your bias talking? I think you take this offensively because he is compared to Kaepernick who is absolutely perfect in your eyes. We get it. Kaepernick is great! He can do it all, but what is the point of you bringing down another quarterback who is also good. I've never been the biggest fan of "scrambling" quarterbacks, but Russel Wilson is talented, and he is a good quarterback especially with what he was able to accomplish in such a short time on a bad team. You can't deny that. He has every right to be considered a good quarterback after he took the Seahawks to the playoffs last season. If you have followed the Seahawks these past couple of years, they weren't exactly good. Past seasons of the Seahawks before Russel Wilson arrived. 2008- 4-12 2009- 5-11 2010- 7-9 2011- 7-9 Also, lets not forget that Kaepernick was put on a team that was already a playoff team before he arrived/played just saying. Edited by Pookie, Sep 12 2013, 03:27 PM.
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| Fulgore | Sep 12 2013, 07:34 PM Post #20 |
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Technically Kaepernick was drafted before the 49ers made any huge impact. Before harbaugh the niners were not a playoff contender in the slightest. 6-10 in 2010. We were compared many times to Cleveland in terms of suckage. Kaepernick came onto the team when we hadn't won a playoff berth in over ten years. So no, I wouldn't say he came onto a playoff team. He grew with the rest of the team. Clipboard and all. Carolina actually only had one bad season without Cam Newton.(Also the only season without Delhomme.. you know that really awesome dude that almost won the super bowl?) They've posted losing records with Cam Newton. Despite his amazing talent, he has not been seen to take responsibility and leadership of the offense. You really need to research the Cam Newton thing, he is seen as a young buck who is more concerned with his own personal glory than the team's. He's made numerous amounts of sheisty interviews and comments. He doesn't want the responsibility of having to lead the team, which as you know is a terrible thing if you're QB. Eli Manning for example embodies his entire team. He is the offensive equivalent of the Giant's gritty defense. He fights through sacks, hits, and all kinds of s*** to make the play. Cam Newton on the other hand rips his shirt off like he's superman when he scores. Down 40 points. He's seen as a Diva. http://www.sportsgrid.com/nfl/cam-newton-pro-bowl-comments/ <- Example of Cam Newton the Diva Also, as a Giants fan I expect you to remember the game last year where the Giants DESTROYED Cam Newton. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AqX8z7QiB8U As for wilson's receivers ability, that's not their fault. That's how the seahawks offense was assembled. It's up to their rushing game "BEAST MODE" as it's called to handle those short yard needs. They don't seem to be happening, especially if Marshawn lynch was being held to such low yardage. For the record, Richard Sherman is f***ing awesome. Adderal or not. lol Edited by Fulgore, Sep 12 2013, 09:12 PM.
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| Pookie | Sep 12 2013, 11:16 PM Post #21 |
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Alex Smith and the 49ers were in the playoff run where the Giants won the Superbowl. Are you telling me the 49ers weren't a playoff team before Kaepernick? It was Alex Smith who had won a game with them in the playoffs. It isn't true at all what you just said. They WERE a playoff contender even with Alex Smith on the team and before Kaepernick got the start. You even said it yourself. On the other hand, Russel Wilson came onto a team that struggled tremendously and brought them to a playoff birth. I do remember the Giants beating the Panthers last season, but what does that have to do with this season? The Giants beat the 49ers last season, they beat the Packers last season, yet they didn't make the playoffs. It doesn't make the Panthers not good this season. As for Cam Newton, I don't pay attention to him much, but I do know for a fact that he is talented. Whether he cares for his team or not, it is not something I am concerned about. I am basically telling you that he is a quarterback on a team that does have offensive weapons and are well capable of winning. I don't think anything can be determined after one match. Edited by Pookie, Sep 12 2013, 11:19 PM.
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| tOMMY pICKLES | Sep 12 2013, 11:23 PM Post #22 |
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you cant bring points per game into it really, that includes interceptions or fumbles that result in a td or field goal. yards per game they were 10th so they had a good defence last year. a better defence than the ravens if u wanna really get into it.... the ravens did ok last year didn't they |
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| Fulgore | Sep 12 2013, 11:24 PM Post #23 |
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Kaepernick joined the same year as Harbaugh. He was part of the team before it was a playoff contender is what I'm saying. The Seahawks were playoff contenders. They even upset the favored super bowl champion Saints. As for Carolina, Cam Newton is so ridiculously inconsistent he's like a crappier version of Brett Farve |
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| Noir | Sep 12 2013, 11:29 PM Post #24 |
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Carolina's front 7 is very very good especially with Jon Beason back. Insanely under rated. They took the read option and running game from Seattle making them one-dimensional with their mediocre receiving core (with Harvin gone) and yet they still won. Their D is as advertised clearly and the O will be much better from here on out. I'm not saying they'll beat San Fran but Russell is far from a sophomore slump at this point and they are not over rated.
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| tOMMY pICKLES | Sep 12 2013, 11:29 PM Post #25 |
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all I wanna say is Wilson is known for putting up huge numbers at home. they won like 58-0 against the cards(yes I know the cards) that is just nuts. and when were the saints super bowl favs last year after all that happened? |
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| Fulgore | Sep 12 2013, 11:34 PM Post #26 |
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I'm directing the Saints to pookie. The hawks uspet the Saints, but lost to the bears. Yes, and Kaepernick was never at Century Links before. Not only that, Russell Wilson had no tape to really study last year. Rookies are blessed with that. The tape + experience should be enough to overcome Little Wilson |
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| Pookie | Sep 12 2013, 11:45 PM Post #27 |
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Kaepernick was drafted in 2011 which means to me he was on the 2012 49ers team that went to the playoffs so yes they were a playoff contender team even with Kaepernick on the sidelines. The only reason he didn't start was because you guys had Alex Smith. The Seahawks were not playoff contenders. I am talking about 2011-2012 when the Giants won the superbowl and before Wilson was on the team. I just posted their overall records of previous seasons. Cam Newton is definitely not crappy. I hope for your sake the 49ers win because you will be eating a lot of your words if Russel Wilson beats your team. Edited by Pookie, Sep 12 2013, 11:46 PM.
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| Master Gohan | Sep 12 2013, 11:56 PM Post #28 |
 
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Don't try to downsize Wilson's play. I know you are a 49ers and you despise Wilson and the Seahawks, but give him some credit. He did very well and close to Kaepernicks numbers. Can't even use the whole "he had a good supporting cast thats why he did well" Because Kaepernick had the same. Who do I think is better? Kaepernick, but Wilson is still VERY talented. Just because they only scored 12 points means NOTHING. Teams have good weeks and bad weeks. Giants had 6 turnovers last week, what does that mean next week? 6 more turnovers automatically? Wilson may score only 12, but you can't point to one bad game and start judging the rest of the season. And whomever said that Wilson could be in a Sophomore slump is jumping the gun by a LONGSHOT. One bad game and now he is in a sophomore slump, this is a ridiculous thing to think. 
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| Fulgore | Sep 13 2013, 12:15 AM Post #29 |
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Someone has to make the long shot 
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| Master Gohan | Sep 13 2013, 12:18 AM Post #30 |
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It could very well happen, but saying it after 1 week is kinda dumb honestly. Its like saying Geno Smith is a great QB cause he had 1 win, no not true. Give it a few more weeks and then we can decide xD |
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