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GT Bra vs Boo arc
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Makyan Star	Sep 6 2013, 06:03 PM Post #31
Posts: 60 Group: Member Member #10,128 Joined: September 6, 2013	Yes but the rest behaved and looked like fighters at one point. Bra looks like another Bulma to be honest. It is like saying Dende is stronger than Piccolo just because there from Namek. One has the character and looks the part for fighting the other doesn't. Pan suits the role of being strong but not Bra. GT logic is bull crap.



~~Professor Gohan~~	Sep 6 2013, 06:10 PM Post #32
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Let that be the last of that in this thread. I'm going to let you run away with one.



+ Yusuke	Sep 6 2013, 06:29 PM Post #33
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	I'm just going to ignore the GT hate and continue on with my points. Quote: Being a fighter has nothing to fo with her power. None of the saiyan hybrids except Pan are really fighters in a sense. Bra got her power from Vegeta like Trunks did and Gohan and Goten did. Pan actually did train. Did you see her power in EoZ? She was beast. Not to mention she's shown many feats that would support her power like punching Rildo and the other stuff she did. Bra being strong is a ridiculous assumption that just because she's a Saiyan hybrid she's also haxed like everyone else. Bra displayed no power other than lending energy to Bebi. Bebi only used their energy to transform. He also used the humans to transform to his final form. Are you going to argue that GT humans are on Super Buu's level as well? Cause if your going to argue Bra is on that level, i'm going to argue that. Edited by Yusuke, Sep 6 2013, 06:37 PM.
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SSJ	Sep 6 2013, 07:26 PM Post #34
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	All right I've gained my composure, but I will not be further debating after this. Quote: And Goku told all of them to not fight. Them asking to help him is out of courage. They did the same thing with Syn/Omega and they got their rear ends kicked. That's not evidence bud. Well obviously they are outclassed in every way, but the fact of the matter is Gohan thought him and the others could maybe stall for Goku, or do anything to help. As we saw against Omega, even stalling means you have to be able to fight the enemy and not just get one shotted. Gohan seems to think they can at least keep up some sort of fight to keep him busy. Quote: And that's what I mean by plot related. Using over exaggerations as a way to make someone stronger. Do you know how big Goku's gains were from Imegga to M2? OFG posted this somewhere. The powerscale goes like this... Base Goku (M2) >>Rildo>>>Sigma Force>>Sigma Bots>>>>>SSJ Goku (Imegga)>>Legic >Base Goku (Imegga) That's a huge gap! I have M2 Goku 20x stronger than Imegga Goku. If you still want to argue that gains can't be plot related, just remember that the whole Galaxy trip took less than a year. By logical standards, that would be crazy. But thanks to plot power, it can be true. And I have no clue where you got that power chain, but it is absolutely horrible. The gaps are not that big, it just needs to be big enough for Goku to go from Gotenks to Boohan in power. That's not even that unreasonable of a power gain for a year. Just remember how much Gotenks gained in the rosat in several hours. Gains from fighting, sparring and training produce large gains. Plot didn't just give him power. Quote: And he would somehow get thousands of times stronger when he was weaker than Base Goku and Vegeta in the Buu Saga? Yeah right. Who says he was weaker than Base Goku? That is just complete nonsense. He can easily be as strong as Cell Games 50% Goku by the Boo saga. And knowing training increases, his power makes complete sense. It was a long time between the Boo saga and GT, so there was a lot more training time than you think. Quote: There a guide (not sure it was the Daiz or another one) that says SPC made no gains in the 7 year gap. Them suddenly being stronger than Rildo (who was well above Buuhan) is flat out insane. Likewise, plot. What guide is is? I have not once seen this or heard anything of this. In the GT world villains keep their bodies in hell. It makes complete sense for a SSJ 2 tier character to get that powerful in that amount of time. Freeza was evening training before Cell was in hell, so his gains make sense too. Quote: 1) Bebi only used their energy to transform. Notice how they were visiably tired after helping him reach his 1st transformation? When the humans donate energy to the spirt bomb, do they actually give their power to Goku? Because if they did, it would be absolutely pathetic. That actually brings up another point. The humans actually did donate their energy to Bebi and guess what, that made him even more stronger. So I guess Average Humans = Gohan, Goten, and Trunks because they displayed the exact same feats as the Saiyans. Maybe you should learn about energy then, because the humans never gave him or the spirit bomb "energy". They gave him Genki which is life force. Humans obviously contain a lot of life force considering what it did for the spirit bomb. The humans did the same thing to Baby, except the population was obviously much larger. Simple demographics show us that the population grows quickly, and that is about 10 years iirc since the spirit bomb. A billion more people could be sending their energy which justifies that power gain. Also it is likely that the Saiyans did not give Baby Genki. When they powered up SSJ 4 Goku, they gave him their energy, meaning they did the same to Baby since it was the same type of donation. They offered the energy you are thinking of which makes that power gain make sense. Genki is not the same as energy, so the Saiyans did not show the same feats as the humans. Quote: I can't find a real reason? No offence but at least I'm making sense in this debate. Your giving the most obscure logic I ever seen anyone use. Your argument is Bra helped out Bebi transforming so she must be strong and everyone who was possesed by Bebi should have a lot of power when... Quote: What really aggravates me the most is your trying to make fact out of all this wacko logic (trying to be reasonable here) when theres hardly anything to support this. It was established in the manga as well as GT than Bulla is not a fighter and has no power like the other hybrids do. Really, I would take you more seriously if you argued GT Hercule > Buuhan. I honestly can't believe you would argue such a thing. Not the smart folks on the forums like you. Now listen, because I am only going to say this once. Who do you think you are? You come into this forum as a relatively new member and you start throwing insults for no reason. Just because you disagree with my logic doesn't make you superior. This is the last time I am going to tolerate this trash before I start reporting it. I think you need to get educated on the topic you are trying to defend rather than throw insults. You didn't seem to have any valid points, all you seem to say is that mine are wrong, and you are right. Learn your place.



~~Stallin'~~	Sep 6 2013, 07:36 PM Post #35
"Corona veniat electis." Posts: 1,237 Group: Suspended Member #9,535 Joined: May 24, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime arnold What Browser do you use? ardolan Favourite Manga dolan	And now the argument has been settled, it's clear one side has won this over the other. Bra gets far into the Buu Arc. inb4 the lock.



Makyan Star	Sep 6 2013, 07:47 PM Post #36
Posts: 60 Group: Member Member #10,128 Joined: September 6, 2013	Cut_Ninja Sep 6 2013, 07:36 PM Bra gets far into the Buu Arc. Thank goodness GT is only a fan made anime.



~~Stallin'~~	Sep 6 2013, 07:48 PM Post #37
"Corona veniat electis." Posts: 1,237 Group: Suspended Member #9,535 Joined: May 24, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime arnold What Browser do you use? ardolan Favourite Manga dolan	Makyan Star Sep 6 2013, 07:47 PM Cut_Ninja Sep 6 2013, 07:36 PM Bra gets far into the Buu Arc. Thank goodness GT is only a fan made anime. We already made you a thread, go post there.



+ Yusuke	Sep 6 2013, 08:39 PM Post #38
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Quote: And now the argument has been settled, it's clear one side has won this over the other. Bra gets far into the Buu Arc. inb4 the lock. No she doesn't, and i'll prove why. Quote: Well obviously they are outclassed in every way, but the fact of the matter is Gohan thought him and the others could maybe stall for Goku, or do anything to help. As we saw against Omega, even stalling means you have to be able to fight the enemy and not just get one shotted. Gohan seems to think they can at least keep up some sort of fight to keep him busy. Stalling and standing a chance are to different things. Standing a chance is when you have a good chance in winning or helping out in a fight. Stalling is when your nothing but fodder and your just their to help the main character look better. This also involves getting your a* kicked a lot and just because they didn't get one-shotted doesn't show any power. Hercule surived Cell and he's god knows how many times weaker than him. So Cell >= Hercule then right? Quote: And I have no clue where you got that power chain, but it is absolutely horrible. The gaps are not that big, it just needs to be big enough for Goku to go from Gotenks to Boohan in power. That's not even that unreasonable of a power gain for a year. Just remember how much Gotenks gained in the rosat in several hours. Gains from fighting, sparring and training produce large gains. Plot didn't just give him power. It's actually proven in the show. The Sigma Force from M2 thought that they would have a chance in beating SSJ Goku (Imegga). Base Goku from M2 ended up kicking their asses (even after they transformed into the Super Sigma Cannon thingy). On top of that, theirs also Rildo who was stronger than them as well. Goku only said Rildo was stronger than Buuhan but the gap is not known. BoGT Goku was only on par with Kid Buu. Remember who SSJ Gotenks (Pre) was stronger than SSJ3 Z Goku who claimed he would easily kill Kid Buu. We also know that Base Post > SSJ Pre so the gap between the two Gotenks's is pretty huge. That's a pretty friggin huge gain from Imegga to M2. Probably the biggest gain in the series overall (other than Mystic Gohan). How can you explain that with logic? It's simple actually, you can't. The only thing you can say is plot in this matter. And for the record, Goten and Trunks only spent 15 days in the RoSat. That's about a 25th of the normal time the other Saiyans spent yet they got the same gains as them. It's plot, plotty as plot can be (bad pun). Quote: Who says he was weaker than Base Goku? That is just complete nonsense. He can easily be as strong as Cell Games 50% Goku by the Boo saga. And knowing training increases, his power makes complete sense. It was a long time between the Boo saga and GT, so there was a lot more training time than you think. That's up for debate. Piccolo knew that he coudn't keep up with the Saiyans pre-CG arc and thus opted not to make a 2nd RoSaT trip. Theirs also evidence to suggest that Saiyans in the Buu Saga surpassed Piccolo in their Base states (Goku and Vegeta at least). Going by this, it would be impossible for Piccolo to make huge gains and be stronger than Rildo (who I mentioned earlier was on M2 Base Goku's level). The only way he could make that gain is through...you know what i'm going to say...plot. Quote: What guide is is? I have not once seen this or heard anything of this. In the GT world villains keep their bodies in hell. It makes complete sense for a SSJ 2 tier character to get that powerful in that amount of time. Freeza was evening training before Cell was in hell, so his gains make sense too. I remember it was in a guide (Brofist told me about it). Villians in the Z-Filler also kept their bodies. Even so, their gains coudn't be that big. Freiza was a low SSJ tier villian and SPC was a high SSJ2 tier villian. Even if they trained, they would be at like Mystic Gohan/EoZ characters. Quote: Maybe you should learn about energy then, because the humans never gave him or the spirit bomb "energy". They gave him Genki which is life force. Humans obviously contain a lot of life force considering what it did for the spirit bomb. The humans did the same thing to Baby, except the population was obviously much larger. Simple demographics show us that the population grows quickly, and that is about 10 years iirc since the spirit bomb. A billion more people could be sending their energy which justifies that power gain. Also it is likely that the Saiyans did not give Baby Genki. When they powered up SSJ 4 Goku, they gave him their energy, meaning they did the same to Baby since it was the same type of donation. They offered the energy you are thinking of which makes that power gain make sense. Genki is not the same as energy, so the Saiyans did not show the same feats as the humans. Energy/Genkai. I made a mistake between the two, relax. The point is that the Saiyans could power up Bebi and the humans could do the exact same thing. Both the Saiyns ar giving Bebi their Genkai so that he could make his transformation. Not because their actual power would make him stronger. Notice how Bebi gets the same boost from the Humans and Saiyans? It wasn't like the spirt bomb when Goku only used their energy for one attack. He used it and made himself even stronger while using for the blast. Their showing pretty much the same feats so it's hard to argue against it. The power up the Saiyans gave to Bebi was nothing like the one to SSJ4 Goku. That was them replinishing Goku's ki to get him at full power (or in the SD saga, to push him past his limits). Edited by Yusuke**, Sep 18 2014, 02:44 AM.
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~~Stallin'~~	Sep 6 2013, 08:41 PM Post #39
"Corona veniat electis." Posts: 1,237 Group: Suspended Member #9,535 Joined: May 24, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime arnold What Browser do you use? ardolan Favourite Manga dolan	The bombs have been dropped. Commence war.



+ Yusuke	Sep 6 2013, 08:42 PM Post #40
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	(deleted post) Edited by Yusuke, Sep 18 2014, 02:45 AM.
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Makyan Star	Sep 6 2013, 08:43 PM Post #41
Posts: 60 Group: Member Member #10,128 Joined: September 6, 2013	Cut_Ninja Sep 6 2013, 07:48 PM Makyan Star Sep 6 2013, 07:47 PM Cut_Ninja Sep 6 2013, 07:36 PM Bra gets far into the Buu Arc. Thank goodness GT is only a fan made anime. We already made you a thread, go post there. You mean I made.



SSJ	Sep 6 2013, 08:46 PM Post #42
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	I'm sorry, I can no longer see that post. adios! And I already said I wasn't going to reply anymore so there was no need for you to post that And just for the record you didn't prove me wrong at all. Edit: oh yeah I can't see yours either Makyan Star Edited by SSJ, Sep 6 2013, 08:50 PM.



+ Yusuke	Sep 6 2013, 08:54 PM Post #43
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	(deleted post) Edited by Yusuke, Sep 18 2014, 02:44 AM.
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+ Majin Vegeta	Sep 6 2013, 08:58 PM Post #44
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Well for what I'm seeing here sm11211 has some points so I'm taking back my previous post and still don't know we're to exactly place him though
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+ Yusuke	Sep 6 2013, 09:03 PM Post #45
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	(deleted post) Edited by Yusuke, Sep 18 2014, 02:44 AM.
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