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GT Bra vs Boo arc
Tweet Topic Started: Sep 5 2013, 09:43 PM (3,382 Views)
SSJ	Sep 6 2013, 01:26 AM Post #16
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Episode 38 Time: around 7m55s Context: The group is figuring out what to do about Baby Gohan: "Father, we'll manage something from here on." After Gohan was released from Baby's control, he thought they could manage something without Goku. This can be used as evidence that they maintained their power ups, because prior to this, they would be useless. Imegga to M2 isn't plot related. Toei took the "Saiyans get stronger after every battle" too seriously. Goku had some good challenging fights, like Redjic in base, the struggle against Lood. Also there could have been unseen battles that we don't know about. Gohan's ultimate form is not because of plot at all. We knew since the beginning of Z that Ghan had a huge amount of potential. Old Kai was able to bring out this potential further than it's already massive limits. It is easily explained, and not just a "plot" gain. What do you mean Piccolo being stronger than the villains? Do you mean in GT? Well of course he would be, it is generally assumed that Piccolo went back into training, and that is a lot of years to train. Freeza and Cell had been training in Hell for that entire time, so they obviously made huge improvements. When people use "plot" to try and win a debate it really just shows weakness. If you cannot find a real reason for why someone got stronger, maybe you shouldn't try and debate that subject.



+ Yusuke	Sep 6 2013, 02:07 AM Post #17
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Quote: After Gohan was released from Baby's control, he thought they could manage something without Goku. This can be used as evidence that they maintained their power ups, because prior to this, they would be useless. And Goku told all of them to not fight. Them asking to help him is out of courage. They did the same thing with Syn/Omega and they got their rear ends kicked. That's not evidence bud. Quote: Imegga to M2 isn't plot related. Toei took the "Saiyans get stronger after every battle" too seriously. Goku had some good challenging fights, like Redjic in base, the struggle against Lood. Also there could have been unseen battles that we don't know about. And that's what I mean by plot related. Using over exaggerations as a way to make someone stronger. Do you know how big Goku's gains were from Imegga to M2? OFG posted this somewhere. The powerscale goes like this... Base Goku (M2) >>Rildo>>>Sigma Force>>Sigma Bots>>>>>SSJ Goku (Imegga)>>Legic >Base Goku (Imegga) That's a huge gap! I have M2 Goku 20x stronger than Imegga Goku. If you still want to argue that gains can't be plot related, just remember that the whole Galaxy trip took less than a year. By logical standards, that would be crazy. But thanks to plot power, it can be true. Quote: Gohan's ultimate form is not because of plot at all. We knew since the beginning of Z that Ghan had a huge amount of potential. Old Kai was able to bring out this potential further than it's already massive limits. It is easily explained, and not just a "plot" gain. Well I guess that would make a little sense but it's still a very haxed gain IMO. Quote: What do you mean Piccolo being stronger than the villains? Do you mean in GT? Well of course he would be, it is generally assumed that Piccolo went back into training, and that is a lot of years to train. And he would somehow get thousands of times stronger when he was weaker than Base Goku and Vegeta in the Buu Saga? Yeah right. Quote: Freeza and Cell had been training in Hell for that entire time, so they obviously made huge improvements. There a guide (not sure it was the Daiz or another one) that says SPC made no gains in the 7 year gap. Them suddenly being stronger than Rildo (who was well above Buuhan) is flat out insane. Likewise, plot. Quote: When people use "plot" to try and win a debate it really just shows weakness. If you cannot find a real reason for why someone got stronger, maybe you shouldn't try and debate that subject. I can't find a real reason? No offence but at least I'm making sense in this debate. Your giving the most obscure logic I ever seen anyone use. Your argument is Bra helped out Bebi transforming so she must be strong and everyone who was possesed by Bebi should have a lot of power when... 1) Bebi only used their energy to transform. Notice how they were visiably tired after helping him reach his 1st transformation? When the humans donate energy to the spirt bomb, do they actually give their power to Goku? Because if they did, it would be absolutely pathetic. That actually brings up another point. The humans actually did donate their energy to Bebi and guess what, that made him even more stronger. So I guess Average Humans = Gohan, Goten, and Trunks because they displayed the exact same feats as the Saiyans. 2) Their's no evidence to suggest that everyone kept their power from Bebi. If that were the case, they would have been very useful in the fight against Super 17 and guess what, their power didn't amount to anything. Same thing goes with the Syn/Omega fight. Theres nothing to show any increase in the Saiyans. As for Vegeta, Toei always wants to make him No.2 to Goku. He was quite far behind Goku in the first half of GT (mind you that Super Uub >> SSJ3 Goku in the Bebi saga) and out of the blue, he's stronger than Uub. How can you not tell me tha's plot related. What really aggravates me the most is your trying to make fact out of all this wacko logic (trying to be reasonable here) when theres hardly anything to support this. It was established in the manga as well as GT than Bulla is not a fighter and has no power like the other hybrids do. Really, I would take you more seriously if you argued GT Hercule > Buuhan. I honestly can't believe you would argue such a thing. Not the smart folks on the forums like you. Edited by Yusuke, Sep 6 2013, 02:08 AM.
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SSJ	Sep 6 2013, 02:09 AM Post #18
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	Lol I'm sorry but I can't continue this debate without getting warned, so I'm out of here.



+ Yusuke	Sep 6 2013, 02:13 AM Post #19
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Quote: Lol I'm sorry but I can't continue this debate without getting warned, so I'm out of here. Okay, will end it here but I really can't understand why you would argue such a thing. Maybe we can discuss this in another thread.
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~~Stallin'~~	Sep 6 2013, 02:23 AM Post #20
"Corona veniat electis." Posts: 1,237 Group: Suspended Member #9,535 Joined: May 24, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime arnold What Browser do you use? ardolan Favourite Manga dolan	sm11211 Sep 6 2013, 02:13 AM Quote: Lol I'm sorry but I can't continue this debate without getting warned, so I'm out of here. Okay, will end it here but I really can't understand why you would argue such a thing. Maybe we can discuss this in another thread. No. He's right. You have to understand that Bra and Pan are unbelievably powerful for who they are. If Bebi finds that it is worth giving her powers dry while seeing people that can CLEARLY 1 shot some Buu tier characters, Bra is strong. She certainly isn't weaker than King Piccolo, or even SP Cell for that matter. Edited by Stallin', Sep 6 2013, 02:23 AM.



+ Yusuke	Sep 6 2013, 03:05 AM Post #21
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Quote: No. He's right. You have to understand that Bra and Pan are unbelievably powerful for who they are. If Bebi finds that it is worth giving her powers dry while seeing people that can CLEARLY 1 shot some Buu tier characters, Bra is strong. She certainly isn't weaker than King Piccolo, or even SP Cell for that matter. You haven't even adressed the points I made because I clearly adressed that in my previous post. I'm not going to go any futher until you do so.
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+ miguelnuva	Sep 6 2013, 06:26 AM Post #22
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	Trunks and Goten were able to rival Gohan with play fighting why would Bra not be at least this level when Vegeta is much stronger.
	Gogeta power placement


+ Pyrus	Sep 6 2013, 07:14 AM Post #23
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Bra was able to sustain no damage from Gohan surprise attacking her and Vegeta on the highway.
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+ Majin Vegeta	Sep 6 2013, 09:40 AM Post #24
The resident GT fan! Posts: 8,522 Group: Elite Member Member #9,206 Joined: March 17, 2013 Gender Male Country Greece Favourite Anime DragonBall/Z/GT, Code Geass,Attack on Titan, Death Note, Naruto What Browser do you use? Safari Favourite Manga DragonBall/Z, Naruto, Death Note, Yugioh!	Having Bra at pre Majin Vegetas level actually for me
	"Its only when we're pushed to our limits that we can truly shine!" Majin Vegeta


+ Yusuke	Sep 6 2013, 11:37 AM Post #25
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Quote: Trunks and Goten were able to rival Gohan with play fighting why would Bra not be at least this level when Vegeta is much stronger. Because She doesn't fight! I don't know why this is hard to understand. Quote: Bra was able to sustain no damage from Gohan surprise attacking her and Vegeta on the highway. You didn't see? Vegeta saved her before the blast could hit. She got hurt by being thrown in a car. If your going to aruge that, I'm going to argue GT Hercule > Golden Oozaru Bebi Vegeta since Hercule survived a hit from Omega Shenron Quote: Having Bra at pre Majin Vegetas level actually for me Which is absoultetly ridiculous and has nothing to support it.
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~~Stallin'~~	Sep 6 2013, 11:49 AM Post #26
"Corona veniat electis." Posts: 1,237 Group: Suspended Member #9,535 Joined: May 24, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime arnold What Browser do you use? ardolan Favourite Manga dolan	I never needed to address those points cause we know it's invalid.



+ Yusuke	Sep 6 2013, 03:15 PM Post #27
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Quote: I never needed to address those points cause we know it's invalid. Would you care to explain? Because you just came to this thread to tell me that i'm wrong and you didn't even prove anything. I fully explained why Bra doesn't have any powers in my post and nobody has countered that. If you can't do that, then your whole overhyping Bra thing isn't happening.
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Makyan Star	Sep 6 2013, 05:25 PM Post #28
Posts: 60 Group: Member Member #10,128 Joined: September 6, 2013	And this is why GT Sucks. Bra of all people stronger than Buu. She's not even a fighter its like people saying Dende is stronger than King Piccolo. It suits and makes sense for Pan since her character is a fighting type. But Bra? what next is GT Bulma stronger than Raidtz or Buu come on now.



~~Professor Gohan~~	Sep 6 2013, 05:26 PM Post #29
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Keep the GT bashing in your GT hate thread. GT hate thread Edited by Professor Gohan, Sep 6 2013, 05:31 PM.



+ miguelnuva	Sep 6 2013, 05:45 PM Post #30
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	Being a fighter has nothing to fo with her power. None of the saiyan hybrids except Pan are really fighters in a sense. Bra got her power from Vegeta like Trunks did and Gohan and Goten did.
	Gogeta power placement


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