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Tien (Buu Saga) Vs 4th Form Frieza
Topic Started: Sep 4 2013, 03:21 AM (2,744 Views)
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I'll have to respond in a while when I get on my computer. I'm just going to refer you to a bunch of other posts because I've said the same things to the same points before, and I know others have as well.

This will be the same debate.

Alright, here's something for now (still not completely prepped). I'm really interested to see your response to this post, as it basically sums up my feelings on those who are still adamant that Tenshinhan is stronger.

Bunch of other stuff:

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1. Tenshinhan isn't an Earthling. He's got alien blood in him, so he shouldn't be compared to Krillin and Yamcha, and Yamcha's statement to Maron shouldn't count him.

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Actually, he is. You may be thinking of Daizenshuu 7 where it is stated that he is a descendant of the Three-Eyed Tribe.[1] This is also commented on in Daizenshuu 4, where it states the same thing.[2]

But there is no evidence of this in the manga. On the contrary, he is never fingered as anything but an Earthling like Krillin and Yamcha. In fact, when him, Piccolo, and Krillin are searching for Gero's lab, Piccolo calls them both Earthlings - not just Krillin, but Tenshinhan as well.

Piccolo: "Earthlings are so...inconvenient." (in response to Krillin saying he's cold)

Keep in mind that even though Daizenshuu 4 claims he is a descendant of the Three-Eyed people, it also classifies him as an Earthling with Krillin and the other usual suspects. The only blatant indication of Tenshinhan's race in the manga is the aforementioned Piccolo scene, and there he is considered an Earthling. The only indication that Tenshinhan isn't 100% human is the Daizenshuu entries. The manga always takes precedent over anything else, so if it says Tenshinhan is an Earthling, then he is an Earthling, not an alien.

There is also the interview by Toriyama where he's asked by a fan why Tenshinhan has a third eye, and Toriyama answers that it has to do with enlightenment.

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What's up with the third eye on my main man Tenshinhan? Is Tenshinhan human?
- Charles Moyer, California; Evan Coltin, Via Internet
T: In certain parts of Asia, beings with a third eye on their forehead are thought to be godlike and are said to possess the power of true seeing. It seems that Tenshinhan, who was raised by the evil Tsuru-Sen'nin [Crane Hermit], lost the ability to use the myriad powers of his third eye for good purposes.


So there you have it. The Daizenshuu makes one claim and contradicts itself in the process, while the manga doesn't support this claim and actually says differently, with Toriyama himself at least not backing up the Daizenshuu entries. Tenshinhan is indeed an Earthling. That should be all you need.

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Tenshinhan could certainly be a descendant of a descendant of an alien race, but he is still an Earthling and nothing changes that fact.

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Seeing as Chiaotzu, Gyumao, the King of Earth, Turtle, Pilaf, and Giran are all considered Earthlings, I don't see why people seem insistent on not counting Tenshinhan just because he has a drop of alien blood. I mean, I'm American, but I have Italian ancestors. Does than make me any less American? Tenshinhan is always grouped with the other Earthlings, is never mentioned in the series to be anything but an Earthling, and considers himself an Earthling, so it just seems to be people who for some reason can't accept the information that we're given multiple times about him not being the strongest Earthling who are insisting that he be counted as an alien, even though nothing, including the publication that mentions his ancestry, considers him to be one.

[1] http://web.archive.org/web/20110925040604/http://www.kanzentai.com/trans-daiz07.php?m=03&id=character_s-u#tenshinhan
[2] http://web.archive.org/web/20111104071121/http://kanzentai.com/trans-daiz04.php?m=02&id=race#link
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KP , İm not sure for 100% humans surpassinh Frieza , like its never stated neither contradicted. İ think its possible.
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Sep 5 2013, 01:13 PM
KP , İm not sure for 100% humans surpassinh Frieza , like its never stated neither contradicted. İ think its possible.
I think people are misunderstanding my position on this matter.

I never said it's impossible. All I've been doing is saying it's not supported by the information we have from the manga and guidebooks, and asking for said proof when people barge in and claim, "Booga booga frieza would get finger flicked by Tien hahahahaaa!"
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I agree with you.
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I'd roll with Humans > Freeza.
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Alex KloonBoss
Sep 5 2013, 07:47 PM
I agree with you.

Good, you should. Or I'd impale you.
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Sep 5 2013, 07:56 PM
I'd roll with Humans > Freeza.

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Tien is taller than Freeza, so he's stronger too. Simple logic.
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Im thinkin Tien can get to 75% Frieza.
Goku is #1
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IllogicalGlory
Sep 6 2013, 03:23 AM
Tien is taller than Freeza, so he's stronger too. Simple logic.
Don't forget the eyes too, three is always better than two. This also shows Tien>Krillin
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All right guys, that's enough.

Super, come on now, sister.
Edited by Professor Gohan, Sep 6 2013, 05:04 AM.
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With the kikoho he does stand a change to win this however in an actual fight he reaches a bit lower than Frieza 50% or so ^_^
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As far as I'm concerned the last 100% proof we had of any human's power was Tien (and by default Yamcha) being weaker than mecha Freeza in the Android saga. Though Krillin following them even knowing there were going to be opponents stronger than Freeza may have been evidence (I don't think that statement was "debunked", there was just another possible reason for it, one that is slightly flawed since Krillin did end up wanting to run away anyway). Either way it's not flat out evidence since it might just have been Krillin's bravery showing through, but it also might have been because he's stronger.

This battle could go either way imo. There's no right or wrong answer due to the lack of evidence.
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Who knows?
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Tenshinhan IMO could beat Freeza's inital 1% 4th form, but 50% Freeza would defeat him
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Sep 6 2013, 03:20 AM
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Sep 5 2013, 07:47 PM
I agree with you.

Good, you should. Or I'd impale you.

I tank that !
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