Krillin (EoZ) vs Tien (EoZ)

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Krillin (EoZ) vs Tien (EoZ)
Tweet Topic Started: Sep 3 2013, 09:28 PM (3,747 Views)
+ Pyrus	Sep 4 2013, 06:23 AM Post #31
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Saiyan Femme Sep 4 2013, 01:45 AM ObsessiveFanGuy Sep 3 2013, 11:12 PM Of course. I understand it's a difficult thing to accept, but it's easy to see when you look at the bigger picture. From Namek onward, Krillin could very easily be stronger than Tenshinhan. Obviously the status quo doesn't change just because, but we have two statements from the author himself giving us that confirmation. Yeah no worries there, I have no problem whatsoever with Krillin > Ten after Krillin's unlocked potential. What I wanna know is how apart they need to be at that point so that Ten never manages to catch up with Krillin again, even by EoZ. Though I guess by EoZ there are also other things to consider, the fact that these guys are not Saiyans and not getting any younger. They don't really need to be too far apart, but it doesn't hurt. Ten's gains just can't be astronomical like some people wish they were. He wasn't as young as he used to be, had Chaozu as a training partner, wasn't a Saiyan or Namekian, and didn't have gravity chambers or rooms in other dimensions to train in. Mike XL Sep 4 2013, 03:22 AM It's hard to dispute Toriyama flat out saying it, lol. He could have made it a little more convincing during the manga, if you just read the manga and/or watched the anime, you'd assume Tenshinhan was stronger, like I did for a long time, but since both were obsolete for most of Z, there was no real opportunity or reason to show a gap between the two. I haven't seen BOG, when I do, maybe that will clear things up, or at least show the level of the gap between the two. Yeah, Tenshinhan looked stronger, just like 2nd Form or 3rd Form Freeza would look stronger than 4th Form Freeza, and Semi-Perfect Cell or Buff Cell would look stronger than normal Perfect Cell, and Buff Boo would look stronger than Gotenks-Boo or Gohan-Boo. Looks are highly deceiving in this show, which I'm sure was pointed out in one of the zillion posts I quoted on the first page. By virtue of looking stronger, it wouldn't actually make Tenshinhan stronger than Krillin. And I'm directing that to a general audience, not specifically you. I totally understand the viewpoint of someone who had simply watched the show or read the manga and didn't get into many debates like we do, thinking Krillin was the weaker of the two. He wasn't overtly brave like Tenshinhan. Professor Gohan Sep 4 2013, 04:53 AM Krillin is said to be stronger than Ten 5 years before EOZ? Ten trains, but could his gains be enough to reach Krillin? I don't think so and that's because it seems like the Saiyans barely even get strong in their base just during 7 years. I can't see Ten coming even close to half of what the Saiyans can accomplish and x amount or whatever years. Makes me sometimes think that Ten just does it for sport because that's "who he is". I just don't think Ten's gains need to be anything to write home about. There was no need for big gains for irrelevant characters like him anymore, and he didn't have the resources.
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Alex D. Boss	Sep 4 2013, 11:32 AM Post #32
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Krillin is also 3 years younger than Tien IIRC , so his gains at Trunks Saga would increase more than Tiens , as keeping the gap huge.



+ supersaqer	Sep 4 2013, 01:02 PM Post #33
Transcendent Posts: 5,117 Group: Elite Member Member #5,137 Joined: August 13, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Tien would actually beat Krillin any time post-Kaio training. The only time Krillin was stronger is during the Frieza Saga when Tien didn't finish his training.
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Saiyan Femme	Sep 4 2013, 01:05 PM Post #34
Posts: 1,683 Group: Member Member #8,569 Joined: November 17, 2012 Favourite Anime DBZ, Card Captor Sakura, Evangelion Favourite Manga Slam Dunk, Fushigi Yugi, Shaman King	So Yamcha is just secretly a liar? Edited by Saiyan Femme, Sep 4 2013, 01:06 PM.



+ supersaqer	Sep 4 2013, 01:36 PM Post #35
Transcendent Posts: 5,117 Group: Elite Member Member #5,137 Joined: August 13, 2010 Gender Not Specified	Saiyan Femme Sep 4 2013, 01:05 PM So Yamcha is just secretly a liar? Not directly a liar, but he's a liar. He wanted Marron to not be worried about Krillin.
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Alex D. Boss	Sep 4 2013, 01:37 PM Post #36
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Yeah ^ He is actually stronger than both of them.



Muyasuki	Sep 4 2013, 02:21 PM Post #37
Posts: 743 Group: Member Member #6,973 Joined: November 12, 2011	supersaqer Sep 4 2013, 01:36 PM Saiyan Femme Sep 4 2013, 01:05 PM So Yamcha is just secretly a liar? Not directly a liar, but he's a liar. He wanted Marron to not be worried about Krillin. Yeah...that doesn't hold any ground. Even if Yamcha didn't say the last part to himself (in regards to Krillin being the strongest human and not to Marron at all), if the goal was SOLELY to make Marron feel better, why wouldn't he say "Your dad is one of the strongest fighters I know." The argument that Yamcha says it solely for Krillin's daughter is immensely false and, more importantly, too far of a reach to hold even remote merit. Especially since every argument against it is actually defeated by the original statement itself. Which makes it a REALLY poor defensive point when it can be dismissed immediately by the statement itself. Any time from Tien's death to the End of Z, Krillin wins with ease. There's too large of a gap between Krillin and Tien when Tien's wished back for him to ever catch Krillin. Especially given their race, age difference, and (more importantly) plot roles. So, to answer the OP, Krillin wins with ease. Any gains made during periods where there was no immediate threat have always been minimal at best. Its even moreso in Tien's case as he was no longer remotely plot relevant and (as such) there is NO reason for him to make any truely gains "just because." For him to be even on Krillin's level by EoZ you would have to have had Tien make a huge a*** gain and Krillin to have a large drop off in power. There is literally NO reason for either.



+ Yusuke	Sep 4 2013, 03:38 PM Post #38
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	Quote: I just don't think Ten's gains need to be anything to write home about. There was no need for big gains for irrelevant characters like him anymore, and he didn't have the resources. Resources? Like plot devices? Krillin has a lot of those.
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Mike XL	Sep 4 2013, 04:27 PM Post #39
Posts: 1,181 Group: Member Member #8,239 Joined: September 4, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball, Dragonball Z, Gundam Seed, Death Note, Bleach, Yu Yu Hakusho	I'll say this, though, just because Krillen was stronger than Tenshinhan doesn't mean he didn't break 1 million or something like that, wasn't Krillen somewhat confident taking on the Sayians in the 25th Budokai? And I still don't buy some crazy multiplier for the Shin Kikoho. Point being, I think both eventually hit the mid to hundred millions.



IllogicalGlory	Sep 4 2013, 04:45 PM Post #40
Furious Posts: 2,112 Group: Duplicate Member #8,639 Joined: December 2, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball Z, Bleach, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood What Browser do you use? Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball, Bleach	supersaqer Sep 4 2013, 01:36 PM Saiyan Femme Sep 4 2013, 01:05 PM So Yamcha is just secretly a liar? Not directly a liar, but he's a liar. He wanted Marron to not be worried about Krillin. Yamcha lied to Marron, but made it true in his head. Unless Yamcha is lying to himself because he's a Krillin w***er, which does not hold anything.



Saiyan Femme	Sep 4 2013, 04:58 PM Post #41
Posts: 1,683 Group: Member Member #8,569 Joined: November 17, 2012 Favourite Anime DBZ, Card Captor Sakura, Evangelion Favourite Manga Slam Dunk, Fushigi Yugi, Shaman King	Mike XL Sep 4 2013, 04:27 PM wasn't Krillen somewhat confident taking on the Sayians in the 25th Budokai? not in the slightest, he was even relieved Goten and Trunks were stuck in the kids section, and that was after they had agreed not to go SSJ1



Mike XL	Sep 4 2013, 04:59 PM Post #42
Posts: 1,181 Group: Member Member #8,239 Joined: September 4, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball, Dragonball Z, Gundam Seed, Death Note, Bleach, Yu Yu Hakusho	Saiyan Femme Sep 4 2013, 04:58 PM Mike XL Sep 4 2013, 04:27 PM wasn't Krillen somewhat confident taking on the Sayians in the 25th Budokai? not in the slightest, he was even relieved Goten and Trunks were stuck in the kids section, and that was after they had agreed not to go SSJ1 Damn, I totally don't remember, haha. I really need to brush up on the Buu arch if I'm going to be a regular around here.



Buuberries	Sep 4 2013, 05:00 PM Post #43
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	KP has a long post about this here oh nvm shouldve known he's already linked it http://dbzf.co.uk/single/?p=8819741&t=8429711 Edited by Buuberries, Sep 4 2013, 05:01 PM.
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Mike XL	Sep 4 2013, 05:04 PM Post #44
Posts: 1,181 Group: Member Member #8,239 Joined: September 4, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball, Dragonball Z, Gundam Seed, Death Note, Bleach, Yu Yu Hakusho	Did he at least breath a sigh of relief when they agreed not to go SSJ? My memory is hazy at fork.



Saiyan Femme	Sep 4 2013, 05:27 PM Post #45
Posts: 1,683 Group: Member Member #8,569 Joined: November 17, 2012 Favourite Anime DBZ, Card Captor Sakura, Evangelion Favourite Manga Slam Dunk, Fushigi Yugi, Shaman King	^ Not in the manga, I don't really remember in the anime... Krillin and #18 were mostly going for the money price, the first 5 places would recieve that and with a bit of luck they had a chance to land any of those places except the 1st one. But Krillin never had any hope for taking on any Saiyans.



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