Krillin (EoZ) vs Tien (EoZ)

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Krillin (EoZ) vs Tien (EoZ)
Tweet Topic Started: Sep 3 2013, 09:28 PM (3,748 Views)
Alex D. Boss	Sep 3 2013, 10:45 PM Post #16
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Wow lol , who was that guy? Awesome posts. Tienfans are annoying as hell.



Saiyan Femme	Sep 3 2013, 10:48 PM Post #17
Posts: 1,683 Group: Member Member #8,569 Joined: November 17, 2012 Favourite Anime DBZ, Card Captor Sakura, Evangelion Favourite Manga Slam Dunk, Fushigi Yugi, Shaman King	I guess it's the fact that it was never noted that Krillin had surpassed the rest of the humans (particularly Tenshinhan) by so much that even giving up fighting altogether wont put him at risk of being surpassed. And in the same saga being discussed we have Gohan who lost a significant amount of power due to not training for 7 years, so of course everyone assumes so did Krillin, the other one who was stated to have given up fighting (and I assume training too). But there's no way around AT stating it himself...



KING_CROW	Sep 3 2013, 11:05 PM Post #18
Bow Down! Posts: 162 Group: Member Member #9,979 Joined: August 23, 2013 Gender Not Specified Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Internet Explorer Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Okay, hold on, some things that were said needs to be cleared up Firstly, Tien training for seven years and Krillin not is not nothing, that's a LONG time, a long time of non stop training and a long time of no training Secondly, most of the people who say that since Yamcha said Krillin is stronger that it's a true fact are Yamcha haters and always side against him except for this subject because they are Krillin fan boys (there is nothing wrong with being a Krillin fan boy, it's just that kind of makes no sense) Third, wasn't Yamcha saying that to like a 3 year old kid who is Krillin's daughter, he wouldn't just say "Well Marin, Krillin is the strongest human..........except for Tien" but I will admit Yamcha was aware that Tien was close to Krillin's power and was training for those 7 years just cause he knows what kind of guy Tien is and knows how much he trains, however Yamcha still doesn't know EXACTLY how much stronger Tien has gotten And finally, I am not at all matching these two up and considering Tien has a chance just because he's cool, I mean people really don't get it, he trains NON STOP, just like Vegeta and Piccolo, maybe even more then them, but he's obviously weaker then them cause he's a human and hasn't gone through what they have, and please stop referring to what Akira said for EVERYTHING, just try to open up your imagination a little I don't mean to offend anyone in anyway and this is all based on my thoughts and opinion and I don't mind hearing yours Edited by KING_CROW, Sep 3 2013, 11:08 PM.



+ Pyrus	Sep 3 2013, 11:12 PM Post #19
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Alex KloonBoss Sep 3 2013, 10:45 PM Wow lol , who was that guy? Awesome posts. Tienfans are annoying as hell. It was two people, but I agree. Saiyan Femme Sep 3 2013, 10:48 PM I guess it's the fact that it was never noted that Krillin had surpassed the rest of the humans (particularly Tenshinhan) by so much that even giving up fighting altogether wont put him at risk of being surpassed. And in the same saga being discussed we have Gohan who lost a significant amount of power due to not training for 7 years, so of course everyone assumes so did Krillin, the other one who was stated to have given up fighting (and I assume training too). But there's no way around AT stating it himself... Of course. I understand it's a difficult thing to accept, but it's easy to see when you look at the bigger picture. From Namek onward, Krillin could very easily be stronger than Tenshinhan. Obviously the status quo doesn't change just because, but we have two statements from the author himself giving us that confirmation. KING_CROW Sep 3 2013, 11:05 PM Okay, hold on, some things that were said needs to be cleared up Firstly, Tien training for seven years and Krillin not is not nothing, that's a LONG time, a long time of non stop training and a long time of no training We don't know how much power Krillin lost or how much power Tenshinhan gained. It's down to plot. Quote: Secondly, most of the people who say that since Yamcha said Krillin is stronger that it's a true fact are Yamcha haters and always side against him except for this subject because they are Krillin fan boys (there is nothing wrong with being a Krillin fan boy, it's just that kind of makes no sense) I don't see the connection, but it's irrelevant. This isn't evidence. I hate Gotenks with a passion but I'm always on the front lines defending him here. Quote: Third, wasn't Yamcha saying that to like a 3 year old kid who is Krillin's daughter, he wouldn't just say "Well Marin, Krillin is the strongest human..........except for Tien" He didn't say the "among Earthlings" part to her, so it wouldn't matter. Quote: but I will admit Yamcha was aware that Tien was close to Krillin's power and was training for those 7 years just cause he knows what kind of guy Tien is and knows how much he trains, however Yamcha still doesn't know EXACTLY how much stronger Tien has gotten That's mostly conjecture. Quote: And finally, I am not at all matching these two up and considering Tien has a chance just because he's cool, I mean people really don't get it, he trains NON STOP, just like Vegeta and Piccolo, maybe even more then them, but he's obviously weaker then them cause he's a human and hasn't gone through what they have Training gains are complete assumption and subjected to the will of the plot (aka the author, Akira Toriyama). Claiming Tenshinhan got 10x stronger between Cell and Boo is as valid as me claiming he got 20% stronger. Quote: I don't mean to offend anyone in anyway and this is all based on my thoughts and opinion and I don't mind hearing yours It's all good. I don't mind discussing this with open-minded and calm people such as yourself. Edited by Pyrus, Sep 3 2013, 11:14 PM.
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Alex D. Boss	Sep 3 2013, 11:23 PM Post #20
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	@OFG: Where did you get those from? Kanzenshoe? OP: The thing is , people can't accept it , as Tien being stronger than Krillin in DB & Saiyan Saga , they can't look at Tien's character to be surpassed by Krillin who is 3 (?) years younger than Tien and had more potential in sleep. You can see at the gains the made in the 1st Arc of Saiyan Arc , where AT indirectly hints that Krillin would surpass Tien soon after Z series continues.



+ Pyrus	Sep 3 2013, 11:27 PM Post #21
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Oddly enough, those are from Pojo.
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Alex D. Boss	Sep 3 2013, 11:28 PM Post #22
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Prove it.



+ Pyrus	Sep 3 2013, 11:32 PM Post #23
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Source: http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1124240
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Alex D. Boss	Sep 3 2013, 11:38 PM Post #24
Posts: 8,688 Group: Probation Member #8,536 Joined: November 8, 2012 Gender Male Country Canada	Kaboom SOLO'D all of them one by one. What an effort.



AA500	Sep 4 2013, 12:31 AM Post #25
Posts: 2,079 Group: Member Member #9,363 Joined: April 11, 2013 Gender Not Specified	ObsessiveFanGuy Sep 3 2013, 11:32 PM Source: http://www.pojo.biz/board/showthread.php?t=1124240 Entertaining read, thanks.



Saiyan Femme	Sep 4 2013, 01:45 AM Post #26
Posts: 1,683 Group: Member Member #8,569 Joined: November 17, 2012 Favourite Anime DBZ, Card Captor Sakura, Evangelion Favourite Manga Slam Dunk, Fushigi Yugi, Shaman King	ObsessiveFanGuy Sep 3 2013, 11:12 PM Of course. I understand it's a difficult thing to accept, but it's easy to see when you look at the bigger picture. From Namek onward, Krillin could very easily be stronger than Tenshinhan. Obviously the status quo doesn't change just because, but we have two statements from the author himself giving us that confirmation. Yeah no worries there, I have no problem whatsoever with Krillin > Ten after Krillin's unlocked potential. What I wanna know is how apart they need to be at that point so that Ten never manages to catch up with Krillin again, even by EoZ. Though I guess by EoZ there are also other things to consider, the fact that these guys are not Saiyans and not getting any younger.



+ Yusuke	Sep 4 2013, 03:16 AM Post #27
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	A lot of people say Krillin (AT said it in a couple of interviews) but I really coudn't care less anymore. It's not like they were that relevant in the CG/Buu sagas.
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Mike XL	Sep 4 2013, 03:22 AM Post #28
Posts: 1,181 Group: Member Member #8,239 Joined: September 4, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragonball, Dragonball Z, Gundam Seed, Death Note, Bleach, Yu Yu Hakusho	It's hard to dispute Toriyama flat out saying it, lol. He could have made it a little more convincing during the manga, if you just read the manga and/or watched the anime, you'd assume Tenshinhan was stronger, like I did for a long time, but since both were obsolete for most of Z, there was no real opportunity or reason to show a gap between the two. I haven't seen BOG, when I do, maybe that will clear things up, or at least show the level of the gap between the two.



Kblo247	Sep 4 2013, 04:49 AM Post #29
Posts: 5,234 Group: Member Member #6,870 Joined: October 16, 2011	I always tought he implied and Toei implied it. Yes they outright say it. Akira says it in his interviews. Yamcha quantified it in his thought in manga. Its stated by the BoG official material. But to me Toei, Funi, and Toriyama all also implied it. Krillin even when slightly weaker at Namek fights better than Tien after that year of training. Vegeta in the funi dub outright says in the Namek fight when Krillin kicks Nappa and backflips, oh he has some moves(making a comparison to the others). Toei created the filler where Piccolo at Kaios planet says to Goku leave Tien, Yamcha, and Chaozu behind as the four of them being Gohan, Goku, Krillin, and Piccolo could and would teach both Vegeta and Frieza their place. Krillin appears in the most movies, saves the day at Bio Broly, is taken to New Namek vs Cooler, is taken to reroute Slugs ship, and so on. There's the filler with Cell, who is weaker but comparable to 17 and 18, and Krillin makes him shriek in pain by physically striking him in order to save that brother and sister. He has the best human performance vs the Cell Jrs in the anime, look at it, Tien and Yamcha only ever land one strike where they double team a jr from behind, Krillin actually knocks his back after he is strikes and evades him blow for blow; its a different cell Jr than the one he starts with that rips him apart from underneath. Toei creates the filler and anime which deviates from the manga and has Krillin expect to place with 5 Saiyans, Piccolo, and 18. Krillin shrugged off Shins power in the manga and anime, and in fact in filler he outright has to be restrained by Piccolo when Gohan gets stabbed. When they say take out the trash, Dabura doesn't one shot Krilkin or Piccolo, he spits on them when killing them would logically piss off their friends more, but it must not have been that easy. There's the Super Buu filler where he sends everyone else away, and that goes hand in hand with other filler that shows him sparring with 18 and sparring even with Goten, which base Gohan couldn't even do without being cornered. There's the other world filler where he's the only one to attack Kid Buu at first. Even in GT, he's the only one given multiple appearances, lines, confronts 17 who shouldnt be that strong as both he and 18 sees, and has a mini spar with Goku unlike the other humans who may have gotten 3 minutes of TV time without lines the whole series. (Roshi was on screen longer than Tien or Yamcha). I'm just saying its not only always been stated officially multiple times, but its always been implied by the way he's portrayed. To me the most telling is Vegeta. Vegeta will call Krillin, Krillin, he earned that arrogant pound warrior prices respect much like Piccolo did to be called by his name. Yamcha and Tien are never called by their name by Vegeta in any adaptaion because their beneath him as fighters



~~Professor Gohan~~	Sep 4 2013, 04:53 AM Post #30
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Krillin is said to be stronger than Ten 5 years before EOZ? Ten trains, but could his gains be enough to reach Krillin? I don't think so and that's because it seems like the Saiyans barely even get strong in their base just during 7 years. I can't see Ten coming even close to half of what the Saiyans can accomplish and x amount or whatever years. Makes me sometimes think that Ten just does it for sport because that's "who he is".



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