Mike XL

Sep 3 2013, 09:31 PM

I think Tenshinhan passes him by EOZ. Krillen is higher at the Buu Saga, but Ten never stops, and eventually gets by him.

ObsessiveFanGuy

Sep 3 2013, 09:36 PM

Even a few years after Boo, Krillin was the strongest human according to BoG. So Krillin would take this going solely by power.

BioBroly288

Sep 3 2013, 09:56 PM

I Think buu saga Tien>buu saga krillin for these reasons.1 Yamcha calling Krillin the strongest is biased since Tien kept on training and because he hasnt even seen him in 7 years.

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2 Tien intersepted BuuTentks blast.

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3 Tien knows Spirit Burst (kaioken subsitution).

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Also he held back Semi-Perfect Cell something Krillin dreams of doing and also did better defending himself against the Cell Jrs.

Saiyan Femme

Sep 3 2013, 10:03 PM

ObsessiveFanGuy

Sep 3 2013, 09:36 PM

Even a few years after Boo, Krillin was the strongest human according to BoG. So Krillin would take this going solely by power.

Is it actually mentioned in the movie?? can i ask in what context?

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And people continue to ignore everything they're told about something for no good reason.


A character in the original manga says Kuririn's the strongest Earthling. No evidence is shown otherwise.
Toriyama himself says Kuririn's the strongest Earthling.
The character bios for Battle of Gods, which are as current as you can get, say Kuririn's the strongest Earthling.


I don't get it. What makes Ten's dingus so delicious for people that they like to put him on a pedestal for worthless reasons which are little more than "he's cooler?"

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So in summary, the expert reasoning for Ten > Kuririn is:

- Lame excuses
- Citing filler that still proves nothing
- Ignoring the author
- Large and lopsided assumptions
- Still no evidence
- Stupid analogies (the sky IS red-colored now and then. Sunset?)

Next?

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Then don't stupidly defend Ten. It's not "blindly" saying something if everything that has any word to give on the matter also says Kuririn's the strongest.

Manga: "Kuririn is the strongest... among Earthlings, at least."
Toriyama: "[Kuririn] is the strongest Earthling, after all..."
Battle of Gods materials: "Kuririn is the strongest Earthling!"


Fans: "Obviously Ten's the strongest Earthling!"


...What gives? Mind = blown.

And there's no evidence to the contrary. Nothing. The Ginyu Force filler shows Tenshinhan doing something that Kuririn could do as well. Both Tenshinhan and Kuririn get much stronger during Namek, and even stronger while training before the Androids, but no comparison is ever made between them. Then in the Boo arc, when things would otherwise be uncertain, we actually get a direct statement telling us that Kuririn's the strongest Earthling. And if that's not enough, though it should be, multiple other sources since then, including the original author himself, have repeated that affirmation.

If we had nothing more to go on beyond how they compared during the Nappa battle, which was the last time we had a direct number-to-number comparison of them, then yes. It wouldn't be too hard to assume that even if Kuririn pulled ahead because of the Grand Elder, Tenshinhan would probably catch up and surpass him again pretty soon.

But that's NOT what we have. Instead, we have multiple direct sources telling us that Kuririn became the strongest Earthling and stayed that way. But some fans just ignore them for the most vapid and inane reasons. What the hell makes this so hard for people to process?

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Show me evidence.

Show me ANY direct evidence that Tenshinhan is stronger than Kuririn, and then I'll believe that the opinion has any worth whatsoever.

So far, nobody has ever been able to.

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It's true, actions do speak louder than words. When there are no direct feats to use as evidence, then whatever's left is more than good enough. Which is, again, a statement in the manga, a statement from the author, and further statements in supplementary material.

All which say Kuririn is the strongest Earthling. Therefore, Kuririn is the strongest Earthling. Done deal.

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I love how the Tenshinhan is strongest have remained exactly the same for the past decade, and they still have no substance.

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So still no actual evidence at all, then? From anybody? Good to know.

"Ten used to be stronger" and "Ten is braver" are not evidence against Kuririn becoming and staying stronger than him. You're citing past trends, which do not determine future changes. You're listing personality strengths or flaws, which do not determine power level. You're pointing out the Kikoho and Shin Kikoho, special techniques which amplify Tenshinhan's power drastically and have no bearing on the simpler "normal strength vs normal strength" relationship in question. You're making big assumptions about how quickly the gap between them would change from Kuririn quitting training, without knowing what their actual comparative strengths were before he retired or how quickly Ten would gain power. And still, worst of all, to support this stubborn baloney you're assuming that characters are lying, the author himself is full of it, and that any and all supplementary materials are worthless because they're "non-canon."

You want me to disregard literally what is so far the only evidence on the subject and believe that Tenshinhan is actually stronger, you'd better actually bring some real hard evidence.

Show me when Tenshinhan fought Kuririn and won. Show me where a character said he was stronger. Show me where Toriyama corrected himself and said Tenshinhan was the strongest Earthling, not Kuririn. Show me. Show me, show me, show me. I'm anxiously waiting.

I've been asking people this same thing for ages and have gotten nothing. This entire "Kuririn CAN'T be the strongest Earthling" trend is nothing but Tenshinhan-w***ing bullcrap, and disgustingly obviously so. Like, it's not even worth pretending that it's something else. Just admit you insist Ten's stronger because you WANT to think he's stronger and nothing more. I already know.

Some things are vague, some things have reasonable doubt and are worth being a little stubborn about if you prefer it one way or another. This is not that. This is a direct source material statement and even word-of-god information being ignored because people just don't like it. It's one of the worst spotlight examples of people in this fandom overthinking things to inane and pitiful degrees.

I'm sorry, but the short and unimpressive-looking guy is stronger than the bigger and tougher-looking guy. That's Dragon Ball for you. Get a freggin' grip.

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No, you haven't shown me anything.

Show me the actual hard evidence that Tenshinhan is stronger than Kuririn at any point during or after the Namek/Freeza arc. Show me Tenshinhan beating Kuririn in a fight, or a character saying he's stronger, or the author saying he's stronger. Not faulty presumption based on past trends or his personality traits.

Still waiting.

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Oh I see, I've been interpreting the manga wrong for years.

Kuririn is the strongest earthling actually means Tenshinhan is the strongest! How the hell have I been so blind.

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No, you didn't. You've said things like "Tenshinhan trains more" or "Tenshinhan was stronger back in the day" and "Tenshinhan is braver." None of which disprove the stated fact that Kuririn is stronger.

Still waiting.

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If Kuririn got a large enough lead on Tenshinhan during the Namek arc, then it's fully plausible for him to still remain stronger throughout the rest of the series, even if Ten trained while he didn't. Tenshinhan never got the magical explosive dormant power boost that Kuririn did, and that could easily open up a HUGE gap between them.

Tenshinhan once being stronger than Kuririn does not mean he stayed that way. Past trends do not determine the future, and "status quo" only applies when there's nothing to indicate that it changed. A character statement in the manga, comments from the original author, and a smattering of supplementary material relating to the story indicate that it did change.


Still waiting.

Itachi

Sep 3 2013, 10:39 PM

I still prefer your Earthlings thread over all that.