Seku

Sep 1 2013, 01:36 AM

Base Vegeta > SSJ2 Gohan

miguelnuva

Sep 1 2013, 01:50 AM

Gohan was Vegeta's benchmark and Vegeta usually reaches his benchmark by the next saga. Also the way Vegeta reacts to Gohan he wasn't expecting a huge power loss so he may have surpassed Gohan but not by a lot.

Seku

Sep 1 2013, 01:36 AM

Base Vegeta > SSJ2 Gohan

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It's very clear by that passage that Vegeta was unsure of where Gohan's power stood at the time.

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By this, we know Vegeta intended to at least have a good fight with a Goku that was previously much stronger than him and had continued to grow stronger since then. We know by feats and statements that Gohan was likewise much stronger than Goku at the Cell Games, even disregarding Super Saiyan 2.

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By these statements, it can be gathered that Vegeta felt confident in defeating both Goku and Gohan to win the tournament (this is also after the tournament training, if that helps). Undoubtedly, at the very least, Vegeta made it to Goku's Cell Games power, and his winning condition would be skill.

The only things we don't know are how strong Vegeta thought Goku would be, and how much weaker he thought Gohan had gotten since killing Cell. In order to figure out the former, we have to go into the future chapters where Vegeta acknowledged Goku's power.

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Vegeta figured he couldn't measure up to Goku's power during the fight with Yakon, and that was only a burst of Super Saiyan 2. By his statement that full-power Super Saiyan 2 Goku had surpassed Kid Gohan, it'd be logical to assume Goku's display against Yakon hadn't met that minimum, otherwise why comment on it in such a way when Goku transformed for their fight? It'd have been redundant; you can't expect something you already know.

With that in mind, we can safely say Vegeta did not think Goku's power would have reached Kid Gohan's until he witnessed it in Babidi's ship.

IllogicalGlory

Sep 1 2013, 01:51 AM

Seku

Sep 1 2013, 01:36 AM

Base Vegeta > SSJ2 Gohan

OFC, SSJ2 Goku was able to fight Gohan-Boo, so obviously their base would have to be way above SSJ2 Gohan. Lol, why did you even have to post that?

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He's asking him if he trained enough to be on his league.

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Obviously Vegeta knows Goku got stronger. If he could get a lot stronger, why woudn't Goku? He wasn't using CG Goku as a measurment stick if that's what your implying.

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That's Vegeta being arrogant. If you haven't noticed already, he always does these kinda things when trying to make a statement only to be proven otherwise (Vegeta's arrogance made him think he could beat Inital Perfect Cell and...well....you know the rest).

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Vegeta didn't make any statement about SSJ2 Burst Goku's power. He was only upset that he could go SSJ2 as well as Gohan. He was using Goku's Base as a measuring stick in determining his power.

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It's the same thing, really. He wasn't sure how strong Gohan was at that point.

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What would be the benchmark for Goku's strength, then? His android saga power?

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Well, where was he proven otherwise?

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He didn't need to make a statement there. He explained his thought process later on, which was that Goku's power burst was enough to make him realize he wasn't on that level and needed Babidi's assistance; said level wasn't on Gohan's Cell Games level.

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Which is why he asked him if his power compares to his. It's fairly black and white if you ask me.

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Obviously his CG strength. That's when Vegeta saw him last.

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Well, it's pretty much fact that Goku > Vegeta. Vegeta making that statement was out of arrogance.

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He never did use SSJ2 Burst Goku's power as comparison. He doesn't even remark about other than expressing jealousy that Goku can go SSJ2. Any indication that Vegeta could have gotten about Goku's power would be either Base Goku at the tourney or SSJ Goku fighting Yakon.

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Given that he questioned Gohan's power in the first place, Vegeta knew not training would lead to a loss of power. He knew Gohan didn't train, so he lost power. He didn't know how much power Gohan had lost. Since he had been training consistently, he wondered if he was comparable to Gohan at that point in time. We don't know how weak he thought Gohan had gotten because he questions it himself.

Kid Gohan >? Vegeta >?< Teen Gohan (estimate)

That's what I'm saying.

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You're agreeing with me, then? That's what I said. He used Goku's Cell Games level as the starting point for his estimation of how strong Goku would be at the tournament, and felt it wasn't enough to beat him.

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That fact wasn't revealed until Goku and Vegeta fought. Until then, Vegeta's statement had plenty to stand on.

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He specifically fingered Goku's burst against Yakon as the point where he realized he was no match for Goku's full power.

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Are you getting what he's saying? He's saying that at one point, (the CG saga) he was stronger than him then he sas what about now as in "do you think you compare to me now". He's asking Gohan if he is on his current level. That doesn't have much to do with CG Gohan.

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No, what i'm saying is that he would know CG Goku's strength and he would also think how strong would Goku become in the 7 years. If there's one thing for sure, he was expecting a much stronger Goku then the one from the CG saga.

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He would have known that fact much earlier upon initally seeing Goku at the tourney.

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I read that chapter. All he says is "It looks like that jerk Kakarot can turn SS2 as well" which only shows jealousy on Vegeta's part for Goku's abillity to go SS2 not his power.