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The 5 strongest captains (or former captains) are...
Topic Started: Aug 24 2013, 06:15 PM (5,179 Views)
Copy_Ninja Aug 27 2013, 02:53 AM Post #31
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Aug 27 2013, 02:42 AM
But Yama says those two are stronger than "anyone who came before or since."

If that were true then that must mean that they're stronger than the Zero Division members (and Isshin ;) )

Kubo retcons things when convenient. I think Unohana's general portrayal is that she's the strongest of the senior captains since then.
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IllogicalGlory Aug 27 2013, 03:00 AM Post #32
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 Eh, he could be excluding Isshin, Urahara and whoever else because they're exiled. Besides, feats should take precedence in Bleach (maybe) and Unohana has no solid feats (to put her above her juniors), Isshin does.

I'm not a fan of Unohana's, but maybe I'm wrong.

I'm not actually sure if Zero division is all that strong (physically). I think their power lies in their inventions, I don't see any of them being stronger than Yamamoto.
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Copy_Ninja Aug 27 2013, 03:05 AM Post #33
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It wouldn't really make sense for him to exclude others just because of how they left Soul Society, they still existed and were part of it at some point. If you take that statement as gospel, then they are stronger than any other Shinigami that has existed, which we basically know isn't true.

I think Urahara's actual power isn't that spectacular either, it's more his intelligence and various gadgets and things that lets him keep up with stronger characters. That's just based on what we've seen so far though, for all we know his Bankai is stupidly hax.
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Mihawk Aug 27 2013, 03:05 AM Post #34
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 Maybe he meant as a duo. Either way we know bleach is retconned all the time. It'll come down to opinion then I guess. With Bleach I always choose later statements over early ones because Kubo changes his mind a lot to hype characters.

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IllogicalGlory Aug 27 2013, 03:15 AM Post #35
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Aug 27 2013, 03:05 AM
I think Urahara's actual power isn't that spectacular either, it's more his intelligence and various gadgets and things that lets him keep up with stronger characters. That's just based on what we've seen so far though, for all we know his Bankai is stupidly hax.
Urahara is a beast at kido, he blasted through pre-chrysalis Aizen with a Byakurai and Aizen basically considers him an equal. He seems to believe that Urahara could bring down the Soul King if he wanted to. The kido that he used to seal Aizen is total hax, given that he would have won against Aizen if he had shown up any earlier than he did.

I just roll with the 3 guys who fought Chrysalis Aizen being stronger than the Gotei 13.
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Copy_Ninja Aug 27 2013, 03:35 AM Post #36
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Ah, but he never would have hit Aizen with his kido if the man hadn't stood there and let him do it, Urahara himself admits as much (it's also a case of PIS but never mind that). While the seal is hax, it never would have worked without someone else beating the s*** out of Aizen to weaken him enough. Had Ichigo lost, that seal would have never activated.

Urahara could keep up and possibly defeat anyone in Soul Society, (probably barring Yama) but not because he would necessarily over-power them.
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IllogicalGlory Aug 27 2013, 03:37 AM Post #37
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 Nah, I mean if Aizen had never transformed, he would have won with just that seal.
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Copy_Ninja Aug 27 2013, 03:43 AM Post #38
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Perhaps, but then again Aizen would have been more careful against him if he hadn't transformed. Urahara only got him with the seal because he was vulnerable while transforming. Urahara has had annoyingly little action in straight up battles. The Aizen fight was basically him spamming kido against someone who was letting him do it due to his own stupidity, other than that we have him owning Yammy, but that's Yammy so....

I'm waiting to see him fight in this arc before making my mind up about where he is.
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IllogicalGlory Aug 27 2013, 05:09 AM Post #39
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 We had better see a lot of him. His power has been far to vague up to this point. All of his fights have been: stomps (Yammy), training (Ichigo), against an opponent who wasn't even trying (Aizen) or sneak attacks (Quilge Opie).

The one thing that makes me think he might not be that strong is that he said he would have died to Yammy's balas...
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DEY DID DIS 2 ME Sep 2 2013, 11:20 AM Post #40
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 i.e. 5 tiers of most threatening/dangerous captains known as of recent:

5. Rojuro Otoribashi, Love Aikawa, Kensei Muguruma
4. Isshin Kurosaki, Yoruichi Shihoin, Shinji Hirako, Jushiro Ukitake
3. Shunsui Kyoraku, Mayuri Kurotsuchi, Kaname Tosen, Gin Ichimaru
2. Yachiru Unohana, Kenpachi Zaraki
1. Sosuke Aizen, Kisuke Urahara, Takeshi Genryusai Yamamato

"best" of each tier:

5. Love Aikawa
4. Isshin Kurosaki
3. Shunsui Kyoraku
2. Kenpachi Zaraki
1. Kisuke Urahara

tier 2, 1 in "order":

5. Yachiru Unahona
4. Kenpachi Zaraki
3. Shigeki Genryusai Yamamoto
2. Sosuke Aizen
1. Kisuke Urahara
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Mihawk Sep 4 2013, 03:03 PM Post #41
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 Best possible post on the topic right there.

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DEY DID DIS 2 ME Sep 8 2013, 03:36 AM Post #42
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 Personally, Kira is the strongest. He did good.
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IllogicalGlory Sep 8 2013, 08:11 PM Post #43
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 Kyoraku cannot beat a guy who is faster and stronger than Aizen.

Tosen sucks too, getting beaten by a lieutenant and getting totally violated by Kenpachi, who at the time was way weaker than Nnoitra.
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DEY DID DIS 2 ME Sep 9 2013, 06:14 PM Post #44
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 lol; b8n me...

(most threatening/dangerous)

We have enough hype on Kyoraku's Bankai to know that it is dangerous. Aside, Kyoraku had fought Resurreccion Starrk without using Bankai before fighting Aizen, still while not using Bankai.

Aizen felt to use Kyooks while fighting the Gotei 13; I'd imagine that he didn't use it against Urahara and co.

Also, Aizen fights Gotei 13, Yamamoto, and Ichigo before fighting Urahara, Yoruichi, and Isshin.

Even given that Isshin as Captain 10 could have defeated White with Bankai, who's to say that Isshin is more dangerous than Kyoraku when there isn't any legit comparison; who is to say that fresh Kyoraku could not have given an Aizen who wasn't using Kyooks just as much of a hard time; heck, if that is the case, then Isshin may as well be more threatening than Yamamoto (which is untrue until we see more of Isshin).

Tosen cut Grimmjow whom Ichigo barely scrape whom was as strong as or stronger than himself when he "defeated" Zaraki. Also note that Zaraki avoided most Tosen's attacks while taking Ichigo's. That said, never bring Zaraki's varying feats strength in to prove things. SS Arc Chad must be stronger than Kyoraku then, since Kyoraku stated that he'd be injured by him if not for dodging.

Killing a Hollow is as easy as cutting its head (Bleach 101); Power had very little to do with that; Hisagi lucked out. I suppose Hisagi is more threatening than Komamaru (Bankai), Ikkaku, etc now...

Kyoraku's better, bruh... sorry.
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IllogicalGlory Sep 9 2013, 08:55 PM Post #45
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 I guess we'll call it an impasse on the Isshin thing. Don't care about Tosen much either. I know Hisagi got lucky.

I do want to point out that Isshin beat White in one shot in their second fight, though.

Aizen doesn't use how ability against Urahara because he has huge raw power and no need for it.

I don't why what I'm saying would make Isshin>Yamamoto. Yama basically never fought Aizen 1v1, not like Isshin did.

Saying Kyoraku might have given Aizen just as much trouble is conjecture.
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