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| IllogicalGlory | Aug 24 2013, 06:15 PM Post #1 |
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Yamamoto Isshin Aizen Urahara Yoruichi Am I wrong here? Can any of the current captains match those five? |
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| + Steve | Aug 24 2013, 10:46 PM Post #2 |
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Neither wrong nor right. Sensible list but we've not seen many of the Captains Bankai's. Shinji, Ukitake and Shunsui might well creep up the list with those. And then you have Kenpachi who's likely just got his Shikai ability which will probably be monstrous. If Yoruichi was brought down to Byakuya's physical ability after 100 years of no training I can't imagine her being that great with her Zanpakuto, whatever it is. Though she may not be appearing right now due to vigorously training with it. Shinji's Bankai probably put's him on a level similar to Aizen though not in physical ability. |
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| IllogicalGlory | Aug 24 2013, 10:58 PM Post #3 |
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Yoruichi is beastly with shunko and when she's wearing those gloves. How about we ignore bankais and just compare their base forms? Most of the really strong captains haven't even shown bankais. Aizen may never, since his zanpakuto is gone, right? |
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| + Steve | Aug 25 2013, 12:21 AM Post #4 |
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Not sure, the blade disappeared but he said it became part of him. Perhaps he's become like an Arrancar and his release would just change his form if he ever got to use it. Base forms I think Urahara and Isshin should be swapped with Kenpachi and Unohana. Aizen did just kind of stand there and let them attack him I don't think they really pushed him at all other than with their best attacks(best without Bankai anyway) |
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| IllogicalGlory | Aug 25 2013, 12:34 AM Post #5 |
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Yeah, that zanpakuto thing is still a mystery. Are those two really that much stronger than Ichigo? He was basically on par with Byakuya and even with his bankai, he couldn't hurt an on-guard Aizen, while Isshin was able to push him to his limit, not to mention leave a big crack in his chrysalis form. I've always gotten the impression that Isshin is really strong (physically stronger than Aizen IMO). He also managed to send Aizen flying by flipping him off (true, it wasn't very effective, but it did seem more effective than Ichigo's bankai attacks). I can't see Unohana or Kenpachi (who struggled to even damage Nnoitra) doing that. How much stronger has Kenpachi gotten over the time skip anyway? Urahara doesn't seem to have that kind of physical strength, though. Edited by IllogicalGlory, Aug 25 2013, 12:35 AM.
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| EMIYA | Aug 25 2013, 03:55 AM Post #6 |
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Kenpachi was haxed enough both pre and post time skip. Pre Time Skip Kenpachi: 1.) Decimates a Bankai Wielding Tousen...while blind. 2.) Takes out the Cinco Espada, Nnoitora Gilga. 3.) Stated to be nearly dead after fighting Nnoitora, went up and manhandled an Enraged Cero Espada Yammy with Byakuya and described the fight as "boring as ****" Heck, he actually ignores Yammy for a moment and starts going after Byakuya. Post Time Skip 4.) Destroys Giriko instantly in one move...calls it boring as well. 5.) Deciamtes 3 Vanderich soldiers (You know, the people who made ****ches out of Byakuya and everyone else nonchalantly) 6.) Took on a face melting Bankai Unohana...and won. And the last one has told us he's been holding back ever since. In short...100% Kenpachi W/Two hands>Kenpachi W/ Two Hands>Kenpachi (not giving a ****(Most Bankai level Captains. The guy is a true beast in his own rights) and now the ****er has his Shikai now. as for the strongest Captains, as far as its concerned Haxamato and Trollzen top the list until the others prove otherwise. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Aug 25 2013, 04:19 AM Post #7 |
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Hrmmmm, I'm not sure about Kenpachi. Before his training with Unohana, he's only really implied to be Byakuya level (they both seem confident about beating each other etc). The reason he did so much better against the Stern Ritter he fought is that his power isn't limited by the medallions like the other Captains. I'd say a chain for Kenpachi would be something like: Kenpachi (post Unohana training) > Bankai Senior Captains ( Unohana, Kyoraku and Ukitake) > Kenpachi post skip = Most Bankai Captains post skip. He'd be stronger than the likes of Hitsugaya and Kommamura obviously. Top 5 Captains we've seen, discounting Yammamoto would probably be: 1. Aizen 2. Kenpachi 3. Unohana 4. Kyoraku/Ukitake 5. Isshin Something like that, maybe. Isshin I don't know about in truth wasn't sure who else to put there. |
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| + Solid Snake | Aug 25 2013, 04:30 AM Post #8 |
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@ copy ninja are you going solely on power or overall in all departments? |
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| IllogicalGlory | Aug 25 2013, 04:51 AM Post #9 |
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How can you rank Kyoraku and Ukitake above Isshin? That simply does not make sense. To beat Aizen, Kyoraku, Hitsugaya, Komamura, Shinji, And whoever else had to team up. They still lost in the end because of KS/plot. Isshin fought evenly with and overpowered Aizen on his own. He went so far as to mock his speed. Kenpachi is kind of not that strong, at least pre timeskip. He was the first captain who got defeated and by shikai Ichigo, no less. He won by a hair's breadth against Nnoitra. Tosen is clearly just a weakling. |
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| + supersaqer | Aug 25 2013, 05:02 AM Post #10 |
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Isshin should be stronger than Shunsui and Ukitake without a single doubt. He pushed Aizen to his limits, where Aizen oneshotted Kyoraku and the others, as well as Unohana. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Aug 25 2013, 05:15 AM Post #11 |
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He didn't do much to Aizen while he fought him, plus Aizen is noted to be weaker while he's in the middle of his evolution. You also have to take in to account that Kyoraku was already injured when he fought Aizen and he was under Kyouka Suigetsu, while Isshin was not. Also, Kyoraku was able to fight Starrk for a time, the strongest Arrancar, while Isshin struggled in Shikai against a prototype Arrancar. I think Isshin would probably have slightly higher base stats for the most part, but Kyoraku has a hax Shikai that'd make up the difference. I wouldn't really put much of a gap between them at any rate. |
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| IllogicalGlory | Aug 25 2013, 05:27 AM Post #12 |
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When was he noted to be weaker? That same Aizen held off Bankai Ichigo with his finger, the other time he did that, Ichigo was weak from fighting Byakuya. He held off a somewhat fresh Ichigo with his finger. Aizen hadn't lost any of his power. Isshin dodged a raikoho and got Aizen to admit he was losing. White was a beastly strong arrancar, he should be as strong as H2 Ichigo right? The same guy who can block a Lanza with his bare hand. Besides, Isshin was owning until Aizen intervened. Isshin's shikai seems pretty strong to me. One can turn Kyoraku's on him if they're smart. Isshin split Chrysalis Aizen's skull open too. In a weaker form, Aizen could endure a fully incanted hado #91 without damage. That's damned impressive. |
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| Copy_Ninja | Aug 25 2013, 06:12 AM Post #13 |
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H2 Ichigo =/= White, H2 Ichigo is the manifestation of his hollow powers. Hollowfication is used to make the Shinigami soul stronger, which is why H2 Ichigo is so strong, because it's a blend. The source of the hollow soul can be traced back to White, but it's by no means the same creature. Isshin wasn't owning. He went Shikai because he couldn't win in base. Then Aizen injured him enough so that he wouldn't be able to use Bankai. His Shikai was at best tying with it, Shunsui killed Starrk with his Shikai. Now, of course you have to take in to account that Isshin had been injured, but he never notes that injury hinders him, only to the extent that he can't use Bankai because of it. Even if you were to say that White is strong as the Espada (which would be a stretch as you'd be assuming that Aizen was never able to improve his hollowfication method in over a decade of trying) it really doesn't put his feats any better. Sorry, I mis-read something Urahara said about Aizen getting weaker, but that's how I interpret what happened He doesn't say he's losing, he just says he's reached the limits of a Shinigami because he was evolving in to something else. Isshin didn't cause him any significant damage, so how would he be "pushing him to his limits" in that sense? Even Isshin himself seemed surprised that could be possible. It's a play on words to explain his transformation. The fact that Urahara mentions he's more vulnerable while transforming and he just so happens to get so slower when it starts happening, leads me to believe that's what it was. You can interpret it how you want, but Aizen does not look like he's at his actual limit to me. I'm not denying Isshin has more brute force in his attacks, but Kyoraku fights more subtely and I think his abilities bridge that gap. It's mostly conjecture anyway, until we see their Bankai you can't really know who's stronger. |
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| IllogicalGlory | Aug 25 2013, 06:36 AM Post #14 |
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It's strange that he uses his shikai against White, but not against Aizen or even Chrysalis Aizen, but he seemed to be winning and he later defeated White with one GT inside Masaki's mind anyway. White was supposed to be strong enough to easily beat any captain's shikai too. Isshin's power has been commented on twice; some fodder Shinigami said his power was massive and so did Masaki, both of them should have some idea how strong a regular captain is. Aizen was at his limit because he was getting slower. He was tiring faster than Isshin.He had reached the limit of what his Shinigami power could achieve and it was not enought to continue fighting Isshin any longer. Besides, the fact remains that Isshin tussled with Aizen and didn't take any damage. Aizen wasnt going easy on him either. He held the dangai open for two whole months, which seems impressive. |
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| + Steve | Aug 25 2013, 01:44 PM Post #15 |
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But it wasn't just Isshin fighting him though Aizen didn't transform to beat him it was either already happening(which makes sense) or the 3 of them attacking him that made him evolve. Aizen was just kind of standing there most of the time, I doubt he was really trying that hard, if at all. The only thing that caught him off guard and done anything major to him, IIRC, was Urahara's Kido technique, but even then that done hardly anything until later. If being injured stops Isshin being able to use his Bankai effectively then he'd never beat Shunsui unless he instantly released his Bankai, but Shunsui's Shikai would still be fine since it's in no way easily beatable. As for him not using his Shikai on Aizen could be a case of his power not being totally back yet or maybe he never used it because Aizen could have made him attack one of the others with it. It's kind of sad how weak the main character is... |
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