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| SSJ | Jan 4 2015, 02:45 AM Post #1396 |
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So then is it not true to say if you're not looking to spend a lot, a console should be looked at on equal terms to a PC? PC's are absolutely superior in every way when you spend more money. I think that's an important thing to keep in mind. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Jan 4 2015, 02:50 AM Post #1397 |
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I prefer consoles for their exclusive games, The Last of Us, Sunset Overdrive, Uncharted and Halo to name just a few. |
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| + Steve | Jan 4 2015, 02:53 AM Post #1398 |
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In your opinion. Using more powerful hardware doesn't make a crap game better a good game is always good if it has more detailed graphics on a PC and someone doesn't give a s*** that something is marginally more detailed you can't tell them it is a better experience only that it is to you. You might as well tell a homosexual man that vaginal sex is better than anal, they don't care it's not what they're in to. So it would be nice if people wouldn't use the word "better" without adding "in my opinion" "to me" or any other such thing to their statement. Anyone who buys a console because of it's hardware over PC's is an idiot anyway I prefer consoles for their more streamlined experience and I prefer the exclusive titles to usually PlayStation. Computers annoy the crap out of me every time you turn them on a million programs are like NOTICE ME SENPAI and if you don't update them stuff starts crashing and then you have to deal with viruses and tracking, advertisements all over crap including Steam, popups Adblock can't seem to block etc etc. I don't have to deal with that with a console most of the stuff a computer can do unrelated to gaming I will never use it for so 99% of the functions are a waste of money and/or harass me to no end and ignoring them only makes it more annoying. So the word "better" just makes me laugh, without the additions. It's better to you, that's fine have fun. EDIT sorry FP that wasn't intended to sound like me ranting at you it's a general rant
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| FutureProtagonist | Jan 4 2015, 03:17 AM Post #1399 |
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Bear in mind that everyone needs a PC for something; you can save money with a gaming PC if you need one for general use. Furthermore, you'll save on game costs because of Steam sales. The savvy/patient PC gamer can get games for very cheap. No chance of losing them either, for what that's worth. I'm not talking about graphics, not specifically. However, let me tell you one thing. There is a huge difference between 30 FPS and 60 FPS. 30 is fine, but 60 allows a much greater level of control and smoothness. PCs are better experience than consoles (in my opinion) because -Games can be modded (this is very important, the amount of content you can add to some games, for free, is mind-boggling) -There is no issue with backwards compatibility (even games from before 2000 with generally work fine on modern PCs, you'd be surprised how easy it is for me to play Duke Nukem 3D) -You have a larger pool of games to choose from (It's not like you can play Xbox 360 games on an Xbox One) -Emulation (you can legally access a good amount of Gamecube, Wii, PS2 and earlier games and play them with higher fidelity) -Games have better control schemes. Mouse and keyboard is more versatile if you can master it. If you don't want to bother, buy a receiver for an Xbox 360 controller. -Computers are multifolds more versatile than consoles I don't understand this. If a program annoys you, uninstall it or tell it not to start up when the computer does. But once again, I'm not going to begrudge you your console. If you like your PS4, then that is totally fine, but I might try to convert you. Feel free to ignore me if you wish.
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| Arkadom | Jan 4 2015, 03:22 AM Post #1400 |
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Reading the post just before mine has lead me to believe PC gamers are like religious preachers that stop you in the street ![]() I personally think PC's should only be for gamers that have nothing better to invest in, 500+ is not worth it for something you won't make much use of, a regular console will be far better value for about 70% of gamers. |
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| FutureProtagonist | Jan 4 2015, 03:47 AM Post #1401 |
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500 dollars is only 100 dollars more than a PS4. For the value, you can play a much larger game library, get games for cheap, get better performance and use it for Microsoft office, video editing, photoshop, DBZF and whatever else. Next Gen consoles are lousy value because they can't do nearly as much and have a tiny game library. Besides, they're basically just small form factor PCs. Everyone makes use of a PC. Or would you rather buy a PS4 for $400 and a general use PC for another $300? Comparing me to a religious preacher is ridiculous. I'm telling you, concrete quantifiable facts about why I like PC gaming, there's nothing religious or faith based about it. |
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| + Steve | Jan 4 2015, 03:55 AM Post #1402 |
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Yeah but it's only a difference people care about if they look right? People go crazy over games being lowered to 30FPS on console and PC but I'm not sure how many people actually notice the difference without going out of their way to see the difference or having already been a person that cares for the difference. You can still play the game and enjoy it so if that's the part that matters to you 30 or a million FPS matters not. 10FPS is bulls*** though. Would be awesome if vocal PC gamers were the ones that talked about it like that But I'd just like to say for every good mod out there there's probably 100 terrible ones As for programs I mean things like Java that you need to have and keep up to date, Java asks me to update pretty much every day sometimes I click yes and it just doesn't even do anything and then when it does it'll want to update again the next day usually. Windows in general is always wanting to update which is avoidable but eventually not putting up with it causes problems. So I much prefer the sequence of power on, wait, put a game in or play the game already in/downloaded, play. With the occasional system or game update which are typically monthly at best unless a game has just come out and is broken. Less hassle
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| Arkadom | Jan 4 2015, 04:16 AM Post #1403 |
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Most people have a long term general use PC before they even move out of their parents house and that can stay with them for at least a decade. It's a normal person value, a regular guy who plays video games once every Saturday night is not going to care about a million extra games he's never going to play, better performance that isn't even noticeable because it's literally just a statement, the difference is too small for human optics to even notice, won't want to use microsoft office or video editing, likely won't want photoshop or many of the things a PC gamer might, all a regular guy will have a PC for is emails, facebook, the occasional bit of research and in some cases some late night viewing, all of which you can get on a cheap notepad or laptop for about 200$, and here in the UK that only equates to about £150 if not less. Next gen consoles provide casual and competitive gaming while still possessing a vast library of games, PS4 has almost any indie game you can find on a PC anyway, it's far from a tiny library in comparison, and some games even take mod support on the current generation of consoles, not that mods are even needed considering you've already got the game, if you need to make extra content yourself then that's just your own lack of satisfaction for a game people worked hard on. A casual gamer is never going to see the need to mod a game. PS4's are capable of browsing, using youtube, and many, many applications the PC can use too, as I already stated, the performance difference might as well be mythical, and so on. And hey, consoles can stream live video too. Elitism does not equal superiority, yes a 500$ PC is probably going to be better than a 400$ PS4 for the reasons you listed, but the simple fact of the matter is 70% of people who are ever going to play video games will not care for any of that, at all, whatsoever, even once in their lives. Consoles have a general victory just because they provide what more people want for a lower price for decent quality, and I don't even care for current gen consoles because none of it interests me. It's just common lifestyle, and only 30% of gamers will look at a PS4 and think "Well...I still want to spend at least another 100$ to get something that has barely noticeable performance improvements and a bunch of otherwise useless features that I will never need and only ever use because they are there." As for the preacher comparison, you missed the point completely, it's not about the solid evidence for whatever you preach, it's the way it's done. "I'll try to convert you, feel free to ignore me, but I'll continue to try and change your mind" is a very preacher like attitude, I would know, half of my family are Catholic. |
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| FutureProtagonist | Jan 4 2015, 04:37 AM Post #1404 |
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This is untrue. It's a complete myth. 60FPS vs 30FPS is very noticeable. On a capable monitor (high refresh rate), even 100 FPS is a noticeable improvement over 60. As someone who was sat in front of one, I would know. Increasing rendering resolution results in smoother images and fewer jagged edges. This an undisputed truth. Turning details up generally results in more shadows, longer draw distance, higher resolution textures and the things of those variety. The difference is quantifiable and noticeable. I'm not talking about indie games. I personally don't care for most indie games. I'm talking about games that existed on the previous generation of consoles. You can't play Skyrim, Deus Ex: HR, Just Cause 2, Dark Souls, Metal Gear Rising, Saints Row IV on an either a Xbox One or PS4. No. Mods aren't just extra content; there never anything wrong with having access to more content and more customization. Skyrim is great game without mods, but by using mods you can make it even more to your liking. Arguing that mods are bad/irrelevant is a very poor argument. PCs can do more and can also stream live video. You surely aren't typing anything on PS4 either. This belief is wrong. The only thing mythical is your belief that the performance difference is mythical. It is simply not true. 30FPS vs 60FPS http://www.testufo.com/#test=framerates http://30vs60.com/ Comparison of Resolutions https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2miEL9H9aTY |
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| Arkadom | Jan 4 2015, 04:51 AM Post #1405 |
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The performance difference is something your average gamer will never notice though, because they'll never look for it, what they have normally is good enough, as for previous generation games, a fair few of those are being re-released with additional content anyway, they'll be available for PS4 and XBOXone within too long, and you can download older Playstation games on PS4 from all 3 previous consoles anyway. I'm not saying mods are bad, but they are irrelevant, because they aren't needed in most cases, unless a game is so massively broken it takes more than a patch to fix it. They are there for extra, they aren't what you buy the original product for. Of course it can, so can a smart phone, most modern technology can stream, the point is? As for typing, both Playstation and Xbox controllers have keypad attachments, which would make MMO's more than possible to play and make typing very easy (even easier for me considering I still use physical-keypad phones.) I'm not saying there is no performance difference, I'm saying to the average gamer they will never notice, because it's only elitist gamers that look for that, or think it matters at all. If you can make out everything you see in a game that is in the relevant gaming space, then the graphics equate to the importance of a single worker ant in an entire colony. As far back as Bugs Bunny Lost In Time on the PS1 which had environments that blended into each other even around the space you stood on and had a draw distance about as long as your arm, it was still playable and nobody cared because nobody needed anything better. If it still played, it's a good game. My old Super Nintendo can still provide understandable and enjoyable games, that makes it as good as any PC to me. What good is judging a piece of technology on just what it's capabilities are as opposed to it's practical use? One of those old rotor-hats had a spinning rotor on the top that could arguably make you fly if you weighed less than the hat. But nobody in the world weighs less than the hat, so the only thing people are actually going to care about is if it functions as a hat. Books are still printed on paper because they don't need to be anything better, everything could be an audio book or on a kindle by now, but more people still actually read physical books, it's the same with gaming devices, why do you care about all the extra components that the majority of people in the world wouldn't even remember if they stopped existing? A PC can play games, as can anything from a PS4 all the way back to a 1980's arcade machine, they are all as efficient as each other at the purpose of playing games, and in most cases the games you'll find on that arcade machine are better value and more entertaining than what you can get at half price in a steam sale. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Jan 4 2015, 04:56 AM Post #1406 |
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If I'm being honest, if I had the motivation to go out and make a good Gaming PC, I definitely would. It's just really convenient; having all the stuff I do on my laptop and all the games I want to play in the same place right at my fingerprints. Plus, the price of games in whatever Steam Sale is going on at the time and all the mods that expand and explore the game in ways I hadn't even thought of. I'm not a huge graphics guy, but you can tell the difference between 30 and 60 FPS. Look at Smash Bros. for 3DS, for example. The fighters are at a steady 60FPS, but the assist trophies are at 30FPS. When they come out and start doing their thing, you can notice how much smoother the fighters are. |
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| + Clearin | Jan 4 2015, 04:57 AM Post #1407 |
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This is a genuine question and I'm not trying to make an argument. But since PCs performance can range drastically, doesn't that mean there's a huge unbalance when playing games online? Surely the guy who paid £1000 for his PC will have an advantage over the guy who paid £500? |
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| FutureProtagonist | Jan 4 2015, 05:11 AM Post #1408 |
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They are absolutely not irrelevant. Mods aren't about fixing (in most cases), they're about improving. The PC versions of Skyrim and Oblivion are superior to the console versions because they have tons of great content available at your fingertips for no charge. If providing tens of gigabytes worth of content to a game is irrelevant to you, I can't understand that. I disagreet. Bugs Bunny would have been a more enjoyable game if it wasn't limited by its hardware. Believe me, if you've ever experienced high resolution, high framerate games, you'll know the difference when you see it. If I hook my Xbox 360 (I have one of those) to my PC monitor, it's painfully obvious that FFXIII is being rendered at garbage heap resolution and low framerate. I still enjoyed the game, but I would have enjoyed it more without its failings. You are right, in the end, gameplay is what's important; I don't mind playing Star Fox 64 or Final Fantasy VII, but I am certain that if they had better graphics, I'd enjoy them more. Even crappy PCs can easily emulate Super Nintendos. The difference is, a high end PC does work better than the console. Its "wings" aren't just for show. Like I said, you're only paying an extra $100 dollars for access to so much more content. PCs are more efficient than consoles at playing games, by your own definition. PS4 games have 404 titles. Steam has over 3,700. That's not even counting GOG.com, Origin, Uplay and emulators. As a pure numbers game, PCs are better at playing games than a PS4 will ever be. If you want someone else's opinion, here you go: http://www.escapistmagazine.com/articles/view/video-games/columns/extra-punctuation/10350-The-Glorious-PC-Gaming-Master-Race Here's some nice quotes:
Possibly. In terms of competitive gameplay, there are ways to gain advantages with high end hardware. One way is multi-monitor setups, which while cool, do provide you with a wider view. You can also adjust the field of view and stuff, but for most practical purposes, as long as both sides have good framerate, there shouldn't be much difference. Framerate does matter, as it increases responsiveness, but a $500 PC can manage 60 FPS in most games, even though settings may have to be turned down a notch. Edited by FutureProtagonist, Jan 4 2015, 05:18 AM.
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| Arkadom | Jan 4 2015, 05:49 AM Post #1409 |
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I don't mean irrelevant as in unwanted or bad, I mean irrelevant as in not needed, you don't need mods, they are irrelevant because they aren't part of your purchase, they aren't the game itself, of course mods can make things better, someone is modding Skyrim to recreate Medievil, my favourite PS1 game ever, in the Skyrim engine down to every last detail such as the location of collectibles, that's so cool, but that doesn't make a PC better just because it can do that, it's an additional perk, not a core part. As for Bugs Bunny, that's doubtful, the levels were all pretty much linear, the hardware didn't limit it at all for at least 22 separate stages with a fair amount of value if you replay them, the only improvement would have been different visuals (and perhaps a better camera, a problem for most PS1 games) and that probably wouldn't even be an improvement anyway seeing as the art style of the game was amazing and made it all the better. Improved graphics should never be considered a factor of the quality of a game itself, I would rather play the original Saints Row (which to be perfectly honest looks pretty bad) than Saints Row The Third any day (IV is a different story, I love that game, which still looks quite bad) because the first Saints Row is just so much better in almost every way. I don't see how graphics can factor into enjoyability when there's not a problem to begin with, as long as you can distinguish what is what then that makes it enjoyable, having unnecessary spark effects, shadows and longer-lasting footprints in the dirt doesn't improve a bad game, so it doesn't make any difference to a good game either, SWTOR is a PC game but even on a high end PC the graphics aren't exactly great even when you turn everything up to maximum, I tried it once and honestly preferred the standard settings so went straight back to it, all the enhanced settings were an eyesore and were far too distracting, which is saying something in a point-and-click, 4 or 5 button rotation based game when you aren't even playing a healer. Indeed, the laptop I'm on right now is a decade old and yet can still play Sonic Advanced 3 with no issues at all, but that doesn't make it superior, it just means it can do the same thing that another console was doing years ago. More content doesn't necessarily justify the price tag, as I've kept saying, if you take a regular, average guy, he's going to always take the 400$ PS4 that is right in front of his face in the store with guaranteed gaming capabilities and online play so he can communicate with his friends and shoot them to death at the same time, he's not going to walk off and decide he wants to spend another 100$ to build a PC full of features he'll never use to be part of a community he won't interact with while the rest of the people he knows are getting all the satisfaction they need out of their home consoles. And average person will take the cheaper, more direct option, especially because it's not bad hardware. The argument that the extra 100$ is worthwhile would be far more valid if you were talking about getting a decent PC vs buying a 400$ Gamecube which has no online and doesn't even have a console hub, but when it's a quite marginal difference overall, your average person will take the PS4, and will also already have a PC or laptop, further putting them off of the idea of getting another once just because they want to play some games. Efficient in their capabilities, yes, but in the sense of just playing games, all consoles are equally efficient because they all actually start the game if they are all fresh out of the factory and will be capable of running the game all the way through to the end. Likewise, gaming PC's have been on the market for about 2 decades, they have evolved over time and their library has grown in that time. The PS4 has been on the market for a year and has far more games in that time than the PC had by the end of 1986. Throw up Infamous Second Son vs Solitaire or Killzone vs Snake and think about that for a moment. In time comparison, if PC was released at the end of 2013, it wouldn't even be in triple figures for games if it had gone the same way it actually did when it initially released. You are comparing library space in a difference of longevity. Steam compiles games from a very long space of time, the PS4 has had games released for it in the last year and a quarter. If you multiply the amount of games the PS4 has by the amount of years PC games have been on the market, the PS4 would have far, far more games in the PSN marketplace than the PC would have in Steam. Regarding a lack of backwards compatability as smug and elitist is also a bit of a stretch, it's the exact same thing as a PC does in a different way. Each new Playstation is a new version of the same console, it's expanding on the Playstation library, it's not a stand alone machine, it's history is the other consoles and by the time you get yourself a PS4 you can get yourself a PS3 for 100$ if not less still in working condition, and that PS3 will have an entire console generation's worth of games to play, then you can pick yourself up a PS2 for about 50$, less than a modern day video game, and that has another full generation of games. Pick yourself up a PS1 for a generous 20-30$ and would you look at that? You have an entire back catalogue of gaming, and that only slightly creeps over the 500$ mark, if you want a really good gaming PC you would have to shell out over 600$ for absolute premium, and considering some people spend thousands on a PC that they use for an irregular rotation of about 30 games, I'd be quite happy to go back and by another PS2 for the 200 games I still have in my attic at a fraction of the price. |
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| FutureProtagonist | Jan 4 2015, 06:27 AM Post #1410 |
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Alright, fair enough, I guess we'll just agree to disagree. However I will respond to this:It doesn't matter. The facts is the PS4 has 404 games and PC has over 3,700 on Steam alone. There are 876 available on GOG.com (some of them overlap with Steam) and many PS2/Gamecube games, along with practically every game from earlier generations can be played on emulators. Edited by FutureProtagonist, Jan 6 2015, 06:14 AM.
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