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Topic Started: Aug 23 2013, 02:00 PM (147,244 Views)
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They'll come up with something to please everyone, I'm sure.

Gotcha, I'll check it out when I get the chance.

I'm really hyped for it too and I've never played Fallout before lol. That right there tells you it's a good game, and/or the hype is good.
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.

I hope FO4 makes developers realize that they need to actually work on games again not make crappy empty things that simply look pretty.

Certainly seems like it's going to set a new standard for content anyway, maybe not storytelling and such.


Been in kind of a gaming slump lately, I have so many games to play and so much time to play them...but no motivation to actually do it.
Not sure why.

It's depressing it used to be my main hobby but now it's occasional even though my life hasn't changed.


Need some kinda support group :rofl:
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Also I dislike the leveling system so much because you're basically blocked off from many areas. Geralt is this badass monster hunter but he can't beat a level 20 variant of one of the first types of monster you encounter since he's at level 5...even thought the monster looks exactly the same, just happens to be in a level 20 area.
That's just how RPGs work. FO4 probably won't have that though, those Bethesda games generally spawn enemies appropriate for your level. Some areas can be an exception though, like the deathclaw mining area in New Vegas.
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.

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Jul 26 2015, 07:22 PM
That's just how RPGs work. FO4 probably won't have that though, those Bethesda games generally spawn enemies appropriate for your level. Some areas can be an exception though, like the deathclaw mining area in New Vegas.
No it's different lately some games have opted to making higher tier enemies than yourself basically invincible, which just sucks.
Like in Witcher 3 you'll meet some enemies which in 10 more hours of leveling you'll be able to one shot but because they're 15 levels higher you do like 1 damage to them, even if later when you can beat them you only do 100 or so more damage than before.
It's a stupid system that buffs up enemies that are above you when with tactics you could actually take them out.

Like in Fallout New Vegas, severely underlevelled I frequently take on Quarry Junction and I can win with strategy and a little luck...and a lot of mines.
But with that system the mines would be nerfed and I would be one shotted.

It really takes away from exploration value.


Of course it's fine if some enemies are always powerful but they shouldn't be made invincible just because you're not sat a high level. Kinda lame when you're seeking a challenge, since you can only challenge as far as the set benchmark.
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I don't think Fallout 4 will completely change how Developers, but it surely will set them on the path. However, it just might do just that. It seems Batman Arkham Knight really started something and showed Developers they need to put as much effort into their PC Port as they do in Consoles, or there will be a huge backlash...and there was, I've never heard of so many game refunds in my whole life.
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With Steam refunds, devs can't half-ass it anymore.
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And that's the other part of things that's going to help change things to the way they should be.

With Fallout 4 and Steam, I believe that's going to put the PC side back to the quality it used to be and when we talk about Console Vs. PC, the quality of the PC port will no longer be a Con of PC gaming and won't be one of the reasons to stick with Consoles...and that's how it should be.

We're going on about Fallout 4, watch it end up going horribly wrong and proving us all wrong (I doubt that will happen, but you know...).
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Greetings. I will be your waifu this season.

I hope game devs do start making games on PC run/look much better, it's pretty clear that they don't really use much hardware.

You can have a 28 core 17903 gig RAM computer with an i89 processor but the game won't use even 1% of that.


Hopefully they start doing that and then the quality standards of consoles(if they still exist) will have to greatly improve.
Gonna suck if it's just a case of each side getting better hardware each gen they both need cool technologies to go with it.

My GAME account is locked because I couldn't remember my password. Changed it, put the new one in and then it got locked. s***ty website...
I swear to God if they don't give me my Phantom Pain and FO4 collectors editions, stuff is gonna burn.
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Ouch! I know that sucks, I hope it works out for you. A while back someone hacked my Steam and I was locked out for two months...I was so mad.

Yeah, you should see the Computer I'm getting ready to build...so sick.

Hopefully after the Arkham Knight incident and Fallout 4 will show these developers the right way, or else the PC gamer's are screwed.
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Well it's probably a little late for that now with Fallout it'll have been in development for 4 years or more, they'd have to hold the PC release back at this point.

I wouldn't expect too much, this is probably why they made the graphics sorta cartoony/stylized, so that it would definitely function on all chosen platforms.
Probably going to have to resort to mods if you want better graphics really.

Yeah the site is annoying, I'm signed in but if I try to look at my orders it makes me sign in again which doesn't work, however that's supposed to make sense...


Getting paranoid about my games now apparently GAME has screwed people over in the past. Virtually no chance of getting either collectors edition now, besides on Ebay for like £500 or some s***...
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Yeah, I don't like that. PC gamer's shouldn't suffer because the Consoles are so under powered, just make the PC port have better graphics.

There isn't a point in making a PC port if the port isn't going to take advantage of the PC hardware, this is the kind of stuff that turns people away from PC gaming.
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The main reason for the falling out, at least in her opinion, is that Kojima gets paid a salary, and doesn't make any profit share on the game. He gets paid a certain amount no matter what, and he was spending so much money and delaying the project, and adding all these features and making sure the game was the biggest and best thing it could be, and Konami was unhappy with that because [delaying] has no effect on him. He was spending the budget on this and that and upgrading the Fox Engine and then delaying further because the engine wasn't ready, and Konami wasn't happy with that because he gets his salary and he takes a more traditional "Japanese man" approach by not taking a profit share. So in doing that, he gets a little more than a game creator would but doesn't take bonuses from the game selling well…

In her eyes, Kojima's a fantastic creator, and probably the best creator of his time, but he doesn't have a strong business sense like Konami would like him to have. Where instead of, for example, cutting corners by lowering foliage resolution, he wants to make sure everything looks as good and polished as possible. She said they paid for her to write 30-40 songs that ended up not being used, and he'd tell her to write another one, then another one, then another one, because he settles for what he likes and has a good mind for what people want to see and what people want to hear…

She's worked directly with Kojima for the music before so she does have some insight, and personally believes that the music has suffered in MGSV because she's not a part of it, because they couldn't afford her. So instead of paying her to go to all these people and recruit them for the music, they chose to remove her from the equation and go to the people directly.





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Jul 27 2015, 11:07 PM
Yeah, I don't like that. PC gamer's shouldn't suffer because the Consoles are so under powered, just make the PC port have better graphics.

There isn't a point in making a PC port if the port isn't going to take advantage of the PC hardware, this is the kind of stuff that turns people away from PC gaming.
To be fair though gaming technology isn't so advanced that they can truly utilize 100% of what your machine can offer but still they're obviously not making games use as much as they could, probably for the sake of having a similar release window and saving on money.


Is that why Kojima left/got fired?

What a BRO.

They didn't like that he wanted to make Phantom Pain as good as it could possibly be instead of cutting corners? He doesn't have good business sense...even though he's put a ton of effort in to creating what could be one of the greatest games of all time, certainly of this decade.

On praise alone they'd make far more than they invested in the game because Kojima wanted such an incredibly polished game.


And now Konami is going to go to hell because tons of people already hate them and this information is public :rofl:
With Kojima it and Silent Hills would most surely have secured the company's future and peoples faith in it for years.


Oh yeah apparently Kojima and Guillermo del Toro still want to work together.
Wonder what will come of that? Obviously they won't be able to get the rights to anything Silent Hill.
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To be fair, we don't know how far Kojima took that. There's got to be some sort of limit; you can't have a creator constantly spending the budget on things that are eventually thrown out and delaying the game; Konami are a business at the end of the day, and their main focus is making a profit. If they can make the best experience for gamers, that's cool. If they can't make it as good as possible, at least it'll still sell really well.
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