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Hercule (and thoughts about Buu Saga)
Topic Started: Aug 14 2013, 09:33 PM (1,361 Views)
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Hi guys, first post... So don't kill me :D

I was reading how some people don't appreciate the Majin Buu saga. And as much as I agree with both sides, I think there are a lot of things people don't realize (I'm sure some of you have, though). I like how everyone comes together to help the fighters win. Everyone plays a part. Vegeta stalls for Goku. Fat buu saves Vegeta. Even Hercule, the "useless" guy who takes credit for everything and does pretty much nothing, was crucial in that saga. Which leads me to my next point-

Hercule. As funny as it is seeing him struggle to fight against Saiyan kids, do nothing but impress people with lies, etc... He was in my opinion one of the most useful people in this show. Think about it- when Gohan was fighting Cell, it's no coincidence that Hercule was the one that threw Android 16's head to Gohan (which ultimately was the last straw in making Gohan snap and find his SSJ2 power). It's no coincidence that in the fight with Kid Buu, they couldn't get energy from the citizens of the Earth- until Hercule stepped up and talked to the world and made them all listen and give Goku their power. Without Hercule, as funny as that sounds, those two battles could have been lost.

I like that in the Majin Buu saga, they stuck to that theme and used Hercule as a main kog. They also stuck to the same theme of villains joining their circle of friends (Fat Buu joined, just like how Vegeta, Piccolo, etc also joined). All in all, I enjoyed that they were a bit less predictable in the Buu Saga. Sure they made Gotenks just for him to lose, they made Mystic Gohan and he got absorbed, but if they brought in a new character and the new character always won, that wouldn't be fun to watch.. It was better to watch it and not know if they're going to win or not. Plus, those guys all bought time for Goku and Vegeta to come in and seal the deal, and gained valuable experience as young fighters trying to save the Earth.

Just my two cents.
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Totally agreed. Mr S was awesome.
"The future of Gohan. The Future of Chi Chi. Not to mention the future of the entire universe. It all depends on me!!!! And I don't care if you're a million times stronger than me! I'm not going to let them down! So get ready Frieza because this time you're going Down!!!"
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Mr. Satan was truly the people's champ.
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Yeah. I don't know why lots of people that I know never realized it. They thought Hercule was just a comedic champ (which to a certain extent, he is) but they didn't realize that he was the one that threw Android 16's head to Gohan which led to Gohan going SSJ2, and that he was the one that not only befriended Fat Buu (which led to him becoming an ally and him being able to get the Fat Buu out because he recognized Hercule's voice. Also, he was the one that got the whole Earth to listen to him and give Goku all their energy.
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Satan is pretty much like every other bad guy facing Goku, they turn good and help out big time. Satan wasn't bad sure, but his intentions weren't really good..
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Satan was great but I think you may be overdoing it. Gohan would have eventually gone SSJ2 once one of his friends died. And even if the spirit bomb failed, Kaioshin could have brought in Gohan to stomp Kid Buu.
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Yeah, Mr Satan is awesome, he's definitely somewhere among my favorite characters.

Although my favorite thing about him was his whole friendship with Buu and how he stood up for the good side of Buu. That was pretty damn gutsy of him.
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Hercule is OK but sometimes he makes me question how the z-fighters put up with his garbage. Furthermore, given that they competed in the Tenkaichi Budokai and fought hard for the title and it was one of the loves of their life, how can they allow him to win every time and make the tournament a joke? I think they should have 'convinced' him to retire and let some new people win instead of letting him grandstand and put them down in public all the time. And 18 never should have let him win, especially for such a minuscule profit (she only asked for 2x the prize money). I understand they want someone the humans can look up to and want to stay out of publicity themselves but i'm sure they could find an actual good role model to win the tournament and get peoples' love.
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Aug 14 2013, 11:32 PM
Furthermore, given that they competed in the Tenkaichi Budokai and fought hard for the title and it was one of the loves of their life, how can they allow him to win every time and make the tournament a joke?
Don't think there was really an "everytime" as much as "that one time". At the EoZ, Mr Satan is really shocked and panicked that Goku & others are participating before Goku clarifies they were gonna let him win, doesn't sound like they ever participate. It's probable the Tournament fighters from Dragon Ball lost some interest in the Tournament after they started becoming ridiculously more powerful than anyone outside the Z fighters circle.

But otherwise I agree. I don't get why even Goku is playing into the lie, the Goku from DB and early Z would never do that.
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I like he was rly likeable deep down innately good under all the annoying parts of his personality
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Aug 14 2013, 11:46 PM
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Aug 14 2013, 11:32 PM
Furthermore, given that they competed in the Tenkaichi Budokai and fought hard for the title and it was one of the loves of their life, how can they allow him to win every time and make the tournament a joke?
Don't think there was really an "everytime" as much as "that one time". At the EoZ, Mr Satan is really shocked and panicked that Goku & others are participating before Goku clarifies they were gonna let him win, doesn't sound like they ever participate. It's probable the Tournament fighters from Dragon Ball lost some interest in the Tournament after they started becoming ridiculously more powerful than anyone outside the Z fighters circle.

But otherwise I agree. I don't get why even Goku is playing into the lie, the Goku from DB and early Z would never do that.
18 let him win, Buu let him win, then the z-fighters all let him win. If you count GT Uub does the same thing! I wish they had knocked him down a peg or two and let him know where he stands at one point. I can't believe the way he disses them in public all the time even though they saved his life so many times. They should either fight to win or just let normal people compete. They shouldn't enter the tournament then just lose on purpose.
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Satan was still the strongest Human(regular with no powers)in the world. I don't think they cared for fame or the tournament because they knew they're at the top of the world. Let's remember that they were ready to knock him out in that tournament if Buu hadn't interrupted, and then after having saving the universe, it's the least they can do. Plus, Goku was ready to ask Satan for a load of cash to help Ubu's village, the least he can do is let Satan win that last one lol
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That is the other thing I don't get is why did Mr Satan suddenly become their benefactor who they are looking for money from? I am sure Bulma's family is richer than him anyway. I mean since when did these guys ever have to work in the first place? Why is Chi Chi so excited to have Gohan marry Videl because of her wealth? As I recall Chi Chi was actually quite rich herself because of the Ox King's treasure, though I guess it was blown away. Still she is not exactly the poor girl here.
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They never ask Satan for money though, it was Goku who did and it was only one time for Ubu's village; you could take this as a, "yeah I'll let you win Satan, but my friend here needs some money for his village..."

Chi-Chi, at least in the manga, says the money from her dad was running out. They must have had a ton of money to last all those years lol
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Demon Flame
Aug 15 2013, 12:55 AM
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Aug 14 2013, 11:46 PM
Demon Flame
Aug 14 2013, 11:32 PM
Furthermore, given that they competed in the Tenkaichi Budokai and fought hard for the title and it was one of the loves of their life, how can they allow him to win every time and make the tournament a joke?
Don't think there was really an "everytime" as much as "that one time". At the EoZ, Mr Satan is really shocked and panicked that Goku & others are participating before Goku clarifies they were gonna let him win, doesn't sound like they ever participate. It's probable the Tournament fighters from Dragon Ball lost some interest in the Tournament after they started becoming ridiculously more powerful than anyone outside the Z fighters circle.

But otherwise I agree. I don't get why even Goku is playing into the lie, the Goku from DB and early Z would never do that.
18 let him win, Buu let him win, then the z-fighters all let him win. If you count GT Uub does the same thing! I wish they had knocked him down a peg or two and let him know where he stands at one point. I can't believe the way he disses them in public all the time even though they saved his life so many times. They should either fight to win or just let normal people compete. They shouldn't enter the tournament then just lose on purpose.
18 didn't let him win as much as she threatened him to take her deal lol
Buu is like a little kid, he does as he's told.
I don't count GT...

Also, you never know, he probably stopped dissing them after he became "family" (Gohan's in law).

But other than that, I agree. I don't see the point on letting everyone believe that someone who can't even control his ki is the most powerful on Earth. I mean, I understand hiding things like the dragonballs (although they appeared to be of public knowledge back in DB) or the fact that some of the Z gang are aliens, but why to not let everyone know and learn about ki and the power it can bring when it's something that's accessible to all humans? what's the point on letting them believe Mr Satan is as strong as a human can get? idek
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