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| + supersaqer | Aug 15 2013, 12:53 AM Post #16 |
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| POOHEAD189 | Aug 15 2013, 01:57 AM Post #17 |
 
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Same here. But my motivations would differ. If it was some random bystander, I'd do it because it was the right thing to do. If it was my family/friends or my love, I'd do it because of how much I loved them. |
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| Saiyan Femme | Aug 15 2013, 02:36 AM Post #18 |
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Only my closest family and my best friend, because those are the people I love and wouldn't wanna do without. Other than that, I think probably no one, not in non-particular circumstances. I don't get the point in sacrificing yourself for a random or someone you don't really care for, why would you give their life more importance than your own? |
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| + supersaqer | Aug 16 2013, 02:47 PM Post #19 |
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The burden of letting that guy die would kill me. It'd definitely kill me. I don't care what he feels after I sacrifice my self to him, but I don't want to live my life with regrets. |
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| + Steve | Aug 16 2013, 03:38 PM Post #20 |
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The problem with sacrificing yourself is that whoever has the gun could just shoot whoever you saved seconds later...so your seemingly heroic sacrifice could have been for nothing, unless whoever you saved had a gun on them. It would only work if the shooter came round a corner and declared "I HAVE ONLY ONE BULLET AND NEAR PERFECT ACCURACY AND SHALL SHOOT THIS PERSON" It would really be a waste to get yourself killed otherwise. Charge at the person and hope they don't hit you is the best option, especially in a crowded area because once you got them down others could help hold them down until the police showed up. Unless your talking, headshot or a 50cal round, bullets don't really kill you dead so even if you were hit the adrenaline would help you knock the bastard down even if you were fatally wounded. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Aug 16 2013, 03:43 PM Post #21 |
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You've gotta look at the situation carefully. Taking a bullet for a person that you know nothing about is illogical. Sure, you could argue that it's the 'right thing' to be nice to a person, but to take a bullet for them? You're not obligated to do that at all, not doing that doesn't make you a bad person. Anyways, thought experiments like these are highly ineffective. We all have an instinct to survive. We can say all we'd like now, but in a situation like that, nobody would be 'heroic' |
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| Saiyan Femme | Aug 16 2013, 04:37 PM Post #22 |
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I don't think that not dying for someone equals "letting them die". Just like sacrificing yourself for them isn't letting yourself die/be killed. I understand the sacrifice If we are talking about saving many people, saving someone way younger than yourself or saving someone that is personally important to you. I even understand risking your life to save a random, but dying for them? Why are you placing their life in a higher spot in your importance scale than yours? And if it's also to avoid feeling like crap afterwards (which is really misplaced, unless the reason you feel like crap is about how sh*tty the world/life is) then don't you think it's likely they'll feel bad too if you die? |
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| Buuberries | Aug 16 2013, 04:44 PM Post #23 |
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humans are capable of altruism so it isn't illogical. @drew Edited by Buuberries, Aug 16 2013, 04:44 PM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Aug 16 2013, 05:02 PM Post #24 |
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Yes, they are, but to this extent? I've not seen one case where a person takes a bullet for a person that they don't know, doesn't seem at all common. |
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| Buuberries | Aug 16 2013, 05:13 PM Post #25 |
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i dont think i get it when you say "to this extent". an action is either altruistic or it isn't |
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| * Yu Narukami | Aug 16 2013, 05:21 PM Post #26 |
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Humans are capable of altruism, yes. ''The belief in or practice of disinterested and selfless concern for the well-being of others.'' There are different levels of it, no? It ain't as black and white as 'you're either altruistic or you're not', unless I'm misunderstanding something. Not many people, if any, are that altruistic. |
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| Buuberries | Aug 16 2013, 05:30 PM Post #27 |
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altruism is being motivated by a non-instrumental concern for someone's welfare and acting with the intention of benefiting that person how can there be varying degrees of it? someone is either concerned for someone else's welfare or they aren't. if they're partly concerned for their welfare but are also motivated by how good it'd make them feel, then it's not altruism. unless you have altruism confused for pro-social behaviour. altruism is an example of pro-social behaviour, but not all pro-social behaviours are altruistic. also dont like the implications of your misquote: "you're either altruistic or you're not" i said behaviours are altruistic or they're not. Edited by Buuberries, Aug 16 2013, 05:32 PM.
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| * Yu Narukami | Aug 16 2013, 05:36 PM Post #28 |
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It depends on the situation, no? If you saw someone getting beaten up and tried to break it up because you were concerned about their welfare, that would be altruism, right? Then look at this situation. You could be concerned, but not willing to throw your life away to save them. The two situations are extremely different when it comes to how severe they are. |
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| Buuberries | Aug 16 2013, 05:37 PM Post #29 |
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first example would be altruistic; second one isn't. i'm not getting your point. |
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| * Yu Narukami | Aug 16 2013, 05:42 PM Post #30 |
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Is Altruism the rule or the exception? Most people would reason that; ''I don't know this person. I'm concerned about my own welfare, so I'm not going to take a bullet for them.'' If people think that way, would it be logical for them to take a bullet for the person? I'm talking about the vast majority here. No doubt people who're willing to take the bullet for a complete stranger exist, but they're in the vast, vast minority. |
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