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Proof of Freeza>Cold
Topic Started: Aug 9 2013, 02:50 AM (2,732 Views)
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But going by what "makes sense" I guess, Cold's original form should look like his son's original form. I don't see how it makes sense that Cold's original form will look like a form his son created. Unless Frieza loved his daddy lol daddy look, I made this form up just for you, muahx.
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Aug 11 2013, 12:21 AM
But going by what "makes sense" I guess, Cold's original form should look like his son's original form. I don't see how it makes sense that Cold's original form will look like a form his son created. Unless Frieza loved his daddy lol daddy look, I made this form up just for you, muahx.
No it's not what makes since, it's what makes since to YOU. I think he doesn't make since because FREEZA created the forms, not King cold. Does it not make since that, in looking for a cosmetic change that was pleasing, he viewed his Father and thought to make a form that looks similar to him.

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Regarding what does and doesn't make since, aren't humans Buological born looking different to each other? Freeza in his actual form still looks similar enough to his father. Why do they have to look exactly alike? They don't.
Edited by amsmagic, Aug 11 2013, 12:30 AM.
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Humans don't look totally different. Take Nameks for example, you know who's a Namek but they look different somehow. Had we not seen Frieza's second form, how would we know Cold and Frieza were related if they hadn't told us? I honestly don't care who's stronger, I just still find it stupid that Cold's original form would look so different to Frieza's. Unless Frieza's momma looked like Frieza, assuming he had a momma...f*ck this sh*t.
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Aug 10 2013, 11:33 PM
Until I read or hear a logical explanation as to why that is not Cold's second form, I'm calling f*ck up on Toriyama's part. It's stated Frieza's last form is his original forms, every other forms are his suppressed forms. So how can Cold not be in his suppressed form? If he was at full power that moment, he should've looked like Frieza's final form.

@KP, true but why would we assume they look any different? Why look like Frieza's second form?
The thing is it's not even implied that Cold even had forms. Frieza himself stated that he needed the forms since his power is too much to control. The fact that Trunks actually stood by and gave Cold his sword is enough to show that Cold does't have any other forms. If Trunks gave him his weapon knowing full well that King Cold will attack with it then why wouldn't he give Cold time to transform? Tunks probably doesn't even know if Frieza had different forms let alone Cold who hypothetically has one in this case. All Cold needed to do was transform while Trunks stands there confused and shocked that Cold's power was increasing.
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What throws people off is why wouldn't his original form look like Frieza's original form? Why would it look exactly like his second form? So obviously, people would assume he's not in his true form. But like I said, Dragon Ball always has the new generation stronger than the last so Friea should be stronger.
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There is nothing to contradict this statement:

"Cold's true form looks like Freeza's second form."

Is there?

Although, I guess Cold could have more forms, but he'd still be weaker than Freeza if he did transform.
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The Z-Fighters let Freeza transform twice despite knowing that he'd get a lot more powerful each time. They didn't even attempt to thwart him.

Would Trunks be the same way?

@Illogical: For many a day now I've been fine if someone wants to truly believe Cold could transform, but that shouldn't negate his inferiority to his son.
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Sorry but you people are being WAY too black and white and..I don't even know the world.

Saying "Just because Freezas original form looked like that doesn't mean the other members of his race did", like, seriously? Seriously? It's impossible to have any form of an intelligent conversation who actually believes that to be a valid response.
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Aug 11 2013, 05:05 AM
Sorry but you people are being WAY too black and white and..I don't even know the world.

Saying "Just because Freezas original form looked like that doesn't mean the other members of his race did", like, seriously? Seriously? It's impossible to have any form of an intelligent conversation who actually believes that to be a valid response.
Stop trying to place yourself on this intelligence pedestal. It's a ridicoulous thing to do on a Dragonball Z forum.

And how close minded does someone have to be to believe that Freeza must look exactly like his father? Like really? What if Freeza's mother looked like his real form, and he made his 2nd form of suppression to match his fathers? So what, I'm unintelligent for believing so? Please explain to me my lack of intelligence, because you know me so well.
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Aug 11 2013, 05:05 AM
Sorry but you people are being WAY too black and white and..I don't even know the world.

Saying "Just because Freezas original form looked like that doesn't mean the other members of his race did", like, seriously? Seriously? It's impossible to have any form of an intelligent conversation who actually believes that to be a valid response.
That's very insulting. You hurt my feelings...
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Virtually no animal in existence is portrayed like you just described. Only certain birds (who are just different colors) have differences from male to female in such a huge way.

So no, it's not logical nor "intelligent" to assume that it would just magically be so. Stop acting like every single fancy you have is right for some reason.

You want to use common sense? Then let's use common sense. And common sense and logic says what you just described is ridiculous.
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Are you responding to me? If so, I think you misunderstand who I am.

I'm not really even disagreeing with you, but you insulted me for no reason. :(

I just came to prove Freeza's superiority, and it's been done. You guys can argue about Cold's possible forms all you want if that's what you desire. Personally, that doesn't matter to me because he'd end up weaker than his son regardless, and that's a cold hard fact in the Dragonball universe.
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I was replying to amsmagic. I have no quarrel with Freeza being stronger than Cold. I really don't.

But to just assume that Cold has no forms because it was never stated that he DOES have forms is just..beyond ignorant.

You wouldn't last ten SECONDS in any form of a serious debate with someone with that logic.
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Why so serious guyz? Jus a chill aight

Well technically the onus is on the person who is making such claims
So...
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Aug 11 2013, 05:53 AM
I was replying to amsmagic. I have no quarrel with Freeza being stronger than Cold. I really don't.

But to just assume that Cold has no forms because it was never stated that he DOES have forms is just..beyond ignorant.

You wouldn't last ten SECONDS in any form of a serious debate with someone with that logic.
Your joking right?

Why do children lean more towards one parent over the other? Why is it I look exactly like my mom but share almost no traits besides hair with that of my father?

What if, of Freeza's race, women have more dominate genes? Have you taken a biology class?

There IS similarities between Cold and final form Freeza, is it not possible that final form Freeza inherited his moms traits?

Learn what the word ignorant means and apply it to yourself.

Funny that I'm in a college debate team then. I would love to see you sit down in a skype chat and join us. Your more than welcome. Don't mock my intelligence because you like to show false superiority on these forms.
Edited by amsmagic, Aug 11 2013, 06:13 AM.
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