SSJ Ultimate Gohan vs. Buutenks

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SSJ Ultimate Gohan vs. Buutenks
Tweet Topic Started: Aug 8 2013, 05:10 PM (3,670 Views)
+ miguelnuva	Aug 9 2013, 06:34 PM Post #16
Posts: 4,068 Group: Elite Member Member #8,291 Joined: September 16, 2012 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? FireFox Favourite Manga Sailor Moon	SSJ Ultimate Gohan is arguably stronger than Super Vegito, Buutenks gets stomped to Buuccolo and then gets stomp to the point he might spit up Goten, Trunks and Piccolo.
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GokuBlaze	Aug 9 2013, 08:21 PM Post #17
Posts: 1,091 Group: Member Member #8,950 Joined: January 31, 2013 Favourite Anime DragonBall Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga DBZ	Is it possible for a SSJ Mystic tranformation? Ive always wondered. But yeah. Buutenks stands no chance.
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~~Professor Gohan~~	Aug 9 2013, 08:24 PM Post #18
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	It's quite a possibility, my dear friend. Because it was never stated that it couldn't.



Sjk8	Aug 9 2013, 08:45 PM Post #19
史上最強の孫悟空 Posts: 967 Group: Member Member #8,358 Joined: September 29, 2012 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ Abridged Favourite Manga Dragon Ball - One Piece - Attack on Titan	GokuBlaze Aug 9 2013, 08:21 PM Is it possible for a SSJ Mystic tranformation? Ive always wondered. But yeah. Buutenks stands no chance. I don't think so. Gohan could still go Ssj or Ssj2, but it would be only a fraction of his true, total power up to limits and beyond, which can be achieved by him thanks to the so-called Mystic form. Ssj transformations would simply be limited, and thus basically useless, steps of Gohan's total power and beyond. Otherwise, still because of what it has be said, topping the Ultimate form with a Ssj transformation, other than be pointless, should practically be impossible, as pointless and impossible is, for example, to say "Ssj Ssj4 Goku". Obviously, GT is another story. On topic: This practically impossible what-if Gohan would be around Ssj Vegetto's power, so Bootenks would get casually atomized.
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EMIYA	Aug 9 2013, 08:49 PM Post #20
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	It's not that Gohan can't become a SSJ, it's that he literally is an SSJ. Old Kaioshin tells him to transform, and so Gohan transforms. It's not like he's fighting in his base form or something. Regardless, if you added in another SSJ amplifier to Gohan, then Boo deserves to at least absorb Haxengard to make things a little more even because otherwise, poor Boo is going to have his face shoved into a small boot and thrown into a volcano.



Sjk8	Aug 9 2013, 08:52 PM Post #21
史上最強の孫悟空 Posts: 967 Group: Member Member #8,358 Joined: September 29, 2012 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ Abridged Favourite Manga Dragon Ball - One Piece - Attack on Titan	Well, BoG spoiler In BoG Gohan becomes Ssj in order to do the Saiyan God ritual, but when he faces Beers he obviously is in his Mystic state, simply because in this form he has access to all his natural power and beyond; Ssj transformations are thus only a limited step of his power. That's the same with the Ssj4 form: once someone unlocked it, he has access to all his natural power up to limits, thus making the other Ssj forms simply useless. The Ultimate form is basically a even more effective Ssj4 form (power beyond limits vs power up to limits), so saying that a Ssj Mystic Gohan could exist is the same as saying that a Ssj Ssj4 Gohan could exist, which is simply nonsensical. Edited by Sjk8, Aug 9 2013, 08:56 PM.
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~~Professor Gohan~~	Aug 9 2013, 08:58 PM Post #22
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	What what about when his power resets over time like it's always done in the past? I guess there was two cases, concerning only him. But there is also other cases when it comes to that power at limits(or suppose to be.) With that, I think that gives him enough room to access the transformations - but only starting all over like how he did from the very beginning. I see what you're saying about their power at limits, so their regular SSJ forms are useless.. But at the same time, their power can continue to grow. There's has to be some room in there to have and make use of a useless SSJ form (at the time) that he already has if he finds a way to break past limits again. Why I think all of that in short: Because his power has never stayed at limits in the past and the story ended when it did. He didn't have another chance. Quote: The Ultimate form is basically a even more effective Ssj4 form (power beyond limits vs power up to limits), so saying that a Ssj Mystic Gohan could exist is the same as saying that a Ssj Ssj4 Gohan could exist, which is simply nonsensical. But.. SSJ4 is another SSJ form. Ultimate power up isn't. Too different cases if you ask me. But I do see your point. Edited by Professor Gohan, Aug 9 2013, 09:00 PM.



EMIYA	Aug 9 2013, 09:05 PM Post #23
"I am the bone of my sword." Posts: 11,326 Group: Super Moderator Member #8,292 Joined: September 16, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country United States Favourite Anime Clannad, Shinsekai Yori What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Hellsing, Elfen Lied, Trigun Maximum	The SSJ4 was considered a potential increase much like the Majin Charm and Guru's Power up. Elder Kaioshin Unlocking was considered the end all to be all potential unlock. After that, you have no more potential, it's gone and taken all that potential up and more and brought every single iota of it out. Once that's done, you have no more potential. You want to get stronger, you get off your lazy ***, grab some orange juice, chug a glass down, grab a piece of toast, eat some breakfast then go out on a jog. You no longer have anything inside of you that you can just pull out, you've got to either physically push yourself to increase your ki now. SSJ3, 4, 20, 100, E-MC2, Blackhole Super Saiyan. Whatever potential of any sort you had, Elder Kaioshin brought it all out. Anything else had to be physically earned now.



Sjk8	Aug 9 2013, 09:08 PM Post #24
史上最強の孫悟空 Posts: 967 Group: Member Member #8,358 Joined: September 29, 2012 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ Abridged Favourite Manga Dragon Ball - One Piece - Attack on Titan	I see your point too. What you are saying is basically what happened to Gohan in GT, but, to me, in the canon franchise, even if Gohan could overcome again his already past limits, he would still put up that more power with his Mystic form. I hope I explained myself well. Brofist Aug 9 2013, 09:05 PM The SSJ4 was considered a potential increase much like the Majin Charm and Guru's Power up. Elder Kaioshin Unlocking was considered the end all to be all potential unlock. After that, you have no more potential, it's gone and taken all that potential up and more and brought every single iota of it out. Once that's done, you have no more potential. You want to get stronger, you get off your lazy *, grab some orange juice, chug a glass down, grab a piece of toast, eat some breakfast then go out on a jog. You no longer have anything inside of you that you can just pull out, you've got to either physically push yourself to increase your ki now. SSJ3, 4, 20, 100, E-MC2, Blackhole Super Saiyan. Whatever potential of any sort you had, Elder Kaioshin brought it all out. Anything else had to be physically earned now. Well, Ssj4 is said to bring a saiyan's potential up to his limits. If you go by this definition, Ssj4 Goku should not get stronger, but actually it is the plot which states the power-gains, so Ssj4 Goku gets stronger through the arcs. The same actually goes with the Majin charm: Babidi stated to have brought Vegeta's power beyond his limits, so, going by that, Vegeta theoretically couldn't get stronger than this, yet, he is probably way stronger at EoZ. The Mystic form works with the same definition of the Ssj4 form, but it releases natural power even beyond limits. So, what I'm saying isn't that Gohan can't get stronger, since we have seen multiple times that potentials reset, but that there's no point to say that Gohan, once in his Mystic state, could also transform in Ssj in top of that, in the same way as Goku who, when transformed in Ssj4, can't obviousy transform in Ssj in top of that. Edited by Sjk8**, Aug 9 2013, 09:23 PM.
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OmegaSaiyan2	Dec 11 2013, 10:56 PM Post #25
¿? Posts: 3,381 Group: Member Member #10,465 Joined: November 9, 2013 Gender Male Country Chile Favourite Anime Dragon Ball/Z and Sailor Moon. What Browser do you use? Google Chrome Favourite Manga Dragon Ball/Z.	God-Stomp Gohan would even stomp buuhan Anime:SSJ Vegetto > SSJ Ultimate Gohan > Base Vegetto >= Buuhan > Buutenks > Mystic Gohan > Super Buu Manga:SSJ Ultimate Gohan = SSJ Vegetto > Buuhan > Buutenks > Base Vegetto = Ultimate Gohan Even With GT Multipliers Gohan Would Stomp Buutenks And Probably Beating Buuhan
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+ Yusuke	Dec 12 2013, 12:36 AM Post #26
Posts: 7,023 Group: Elite Member Member #9,876 Joined: August 11, 2013 Gender Male Country Canada	SuperSaiyan2 Aug 8 2013, 05:10 PM SSJ Gohan could arguably be stronger than Super Vegetto. I guess that just depends where you place Base Vegito. I have Base Vegito somewhere between Buutenks and Buuhan so obivously he would be stronger if that where the case.
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SIAD	Dec 12 2013, 12:48 AM Post #27
Posts: 708 Group: Member Member #9,530 Joined: May 24, 2013	I have SSJ Gohan (BoG) with multiplier DBGT. However I SSJ Gohan (BoG)> Buuhan.



~~Professor Gohan~~	Dec 12 2013, 12:49 AM Post #28
Posts: 0 Group: GTFO Member #6,938 Joined: November 2, 2011 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Why did your mind change, homeboy? Edited by Professor Gohan, Dec 12 2013, 01:05 AM.



SSJ	Dec 12 2013, 03:40 AM Post #29
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	sm11211 Dec 12 2013, 12:36 AM SuperSaiyan2 Aug 8 2013, 05:10 PM SSJ Gohan could arguably be stronger than Super Vegetto. I guess that just depends where you place Base Vegito. I have Base Vegito somewhere between Buutenks and Buuhan so obivously he would be stronger if that where the case. Lol quotes me from August 8th. It does depend on where you place Base Vegetto, but I see more and more people placing him below Ultimate Gohan these days. Not a trend I follow, but it seems many are.



+ Pyrus	Dec 12 2013, 03:56 AM Post #30
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Why wouldn't he be?
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