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Base Goku (Boo Saga) vs. SSjin Trunks and Goten (Pre-RoSaT)
Topic Started: Jul 25 2013, 07:33 PM (5,301 Views)
* Yu Narukami Jul 27 2013, 09:30 PM Post #106
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 Good lord, this is still going on?
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Hurry My Curry Jul 27 2013, 10:38 PM Post #107
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Jul 27 2013, 09:17 PM
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Jul 27 2013, 09:03 PM
Do you have proof, that SSJ Trunks/Goten are stronger than my indicated Base Goku?

Majin SSJ2 Vegeta/SSJ2 Goku > KHH SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SPC's KHH > SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SPC > FP PC > MSSJ Goku (Boo) > MSSJ Kid Gohan (CG) > Base Goku/Vegeta Post-Majin > (Boo) > SSJ Teen Gohan~Base Vegeta PM > Pocus > SSJ Trunks/Goten.

Given the statements that Babidi and Kaioshin himself believe that Pocus is stronger.
SSJ2 Teen Gohan got tooled too hard by Fat Boo, Vegeta thought Boo was a joke at first, and Boo is stomping SSJ2 Gohan.
Goku is stronger than Gohan, but him being stronger than his SSjin in base is kind of crazy, don't you think? From the Cell Saga to the Boo saga, Gohan loses power, but not that much power. Goku gains power in the afterlife, but not a drastic amount of power. Most of the power he gains comes via transformations (SSJin 2 and SSjin 3). I find it unlikely that Goku progressed so much or Gohan lost that much power.

Gohan lost alot of power, 7years is alot of time y'know.
Vegeta basically was flabbergasted when he saw Gohan again at Budokai, from Beast to Garbage.
And that goes for Goku aswell, 7years of training is alot especially in the afterlife.

O well, plot determined his power.
While Gohan has lost power, it isnot directly stated how much he loses, but common sense plus the way the plot goes, it seems unlikely that he lost the kind of power you are suggesting. Also, it is stated that while Goku has surpassed kid Gohan, he is not miles ahead. His gains from the afterlife were minimal, his main power increases were his new transformations.
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Sjk8 Jul 27 2013, 10:47 PM Post #108
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Jul 27 2013, 08:40 PM
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Jul 27 2013, 07:49 PM
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Jul 27 2013, 07:28 PM
The way I see it:

SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 Gohan's KHH > SPC's KHH > SSJ2 Gohan (2 arms) > SPC > FP PC > MSSJ Goku > MSSJ Gohan > Base Goku > Yakon > SSJ Teen Gohan~Base Vegeta Pre-Majin > Pocus > SSJ Trunks > SSJ Goten.
Does Goku have to be stronger than the KHH he is stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan and not by alot?

Base Vegeta ~ SSJ Gohan?

Kid Trunks gave SSJ Vegeta trouble during sparring Base Vegeta would have gotten mascaraed. On top of that Teen Gohan had about the same difficulty as Vegeta with Goten who's basically the same as Trunks.

SSJ Kids > > > > > Pui Pui
Worn out Vegeta? Whatever we can compare, If you want.
Namek Goku was training 100G, Trunks has trouble walking at 150G's, so is Base Trunks 50% stronger than Namek Goku?

Or worn out Goku getting slapped up by Cell Jr's?
Feats in Z don't make sense.

Base Trunks was fighting close to par with 18.


Heavily disagree with this.
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Bulma’s dad says 300x gravity will make Vegeta weigh 180,000 kg. The maths is off with 60 kg resulting 180,000 kg under that gravity , but that’s the number Akira wrote in there.


Meanwhile Goku in Boo saga cant lift 40 tons. While Vegeta can move about at 180,000 kg which is about 200 tons.

I don't think feats in Z make any sense. The only feats that make sense to me is when a opponent is stronger than the other


That's not correct.
First thing, that value is obviously wrong, since Vegeta would weight 18000 kg, and not 180000 kg.
Also, this is a bad translated page, since Herms got it right:

Chapter: 336 (DBZ 142), P11.3-5
Brief: "Huh!? You...you say you want me to make you a 300-times gravity room!?"
Vegeta: "That's right. It seems that Kakarot trained in 100-times gravity...I'm at least 3 times as much as him..."
Brief: "Th...that's crazy...Ve...Vegeta, if you weigh 60 kilos...then you'll become eigh...18 tons...."

Anyway, Goku's 40 tons feat >>> Vegeta's feat.
Goku trained with 40 tons on ankles and wrists: the weight that can be supported on ankles and wrists isn't even the 5% of the total bench-pressing ability of a guy, and this fact would put Goku's limit at 800 tons.
Also, by another PoV, Goku was wearing those 40 tons, thus weighing 40070 kg, which is the equivalent of a 572 G training session.
And, most important thing, Goku was doing such a training without using Ki if not for flying: that was only his physical strength, think about how strong base full power Boo saga Goku (i.e. with Ki) is...
For the sake of comparison, you have to know that 23rd Budokai Goku found 113,4 kg as an impressive weight in order to increase his physical strength and yet, during his battle with Tien (battle = usage of Ki), not even serious, he casually released an energy with whom he could have lifted more than 30 tons.

- 23rd Budokai Goku:
-- only physical strength -> 113,4 kg
-- strength enhanced with Ki -> more than 30 tons.

- base Boo saga Goku:
-- only physical strength -> 800 tons (or 572 G training)
-- strength enhanced with Ki -> guess how beastly this value would be.

And to think that Goku could top that with 3 transformations, each of which skyrockets his Ki...

Every strength feat in DBZ does make sense, if you know how to look at it.
I'm going to prove soon in a new thread how really strong Goku is, up to his Ssj3 form, thanks to his new beastly feat in BoG. ;)
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Zenet Jul 27 2013, 11:02 PM Post #109
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I agree with everything there. Though I don't agree with Physical strength not relying on the size of ki. I think the situation with Kid Trunks could be a plot hole.
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