Base Goku (Boo Saga) vs. SSjin Trunks and Goten (Pre-RoSaT)

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Base Goku (Boo Saga) vs. SSjin Trunks and Goten (Pre-RoSaT)
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Zenet	Jul 27 2013, 08:01 PM Post #91
Posts: 2,755 Group: Member Member #8,544 Joined: November 11, 2012 Gender Not Specified	Dartlard Jul 27 2013, 07:49 PM Cenet Jul 27 2013, 07:46 PM Dartlard Jul 27 2013, 07:28 PM The way I see it: SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 Gohan's KHH > SPC's KHH > SSJ2 Gohan (2 arms) > SPC > FP PC > MSSJ Goku > MSSJ Gohan > Base Goku > Yakon > SSJ Teen Gohan~Base Vegeta Pre-Majin > Pocus > SSJ Trunks > SSJ Goten. Does Goku have to be stronger than the KHH he is stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan and not by alot? Base Vegeta ~ SSJ Gohan? Kid Trunks gave SSJ Vegeta trouble during sparring Base Vegeta would have gotten mascaraed. On top of that Teen Gohan had about the same difficulty as Vegeta with Goten who's basically the same as Trunks. SSJ Kids > > > > > Pui Pui Worn out Vegeta? Whatever we can compare, If you want. Namek Goku was training 100G, Trunks has trouble walking at 150G's, so is Base Trunks 50% stronger than Namek Goku? Or worn out Goku getting slapped up by Cell Jr's? Feats in Z don't make sense. Base Trunks was fighting close to par with 18. EDIT: Pyrus both Gohan and Vegeta was grunting. Edited by Zenet, Jul 27 2013, 08:09 PM.



+ Pyrus	Jul 27 2013, 08:03 PM Post #92
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	The gravity argument? Really? It's completely flawed. Just look at the gang when they arrive on Kaio's planet.
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~~Dartlard~~	Jul 27 2013, 08:03 PM Post #93
Posts: 80 Group: Suspended Member #9,799 Joined: July 25, 2013 Favourite Anime DBZ	#18 is trash in Boo Saga, that's hardly a feat anymore. Good power indication for the kids, for the rest? Nothing there really.



Sjk8	Jul 27 2013, 08:04 PM Post #94
史上最強の孫悟空 Posts: 967 Group: Member Member #8,358 Joined: September 29, 2012 Gender Male Favourite Anime DBZ Abridged Favourite Manga Dragon Ball - One Piece - Attack on Titan	Cenet Jul 27 2013, 08:01 PM Dartlard Jul 27 2013, 07:49 PM Cenet Jul 27 2013, 07:46 PM Dartlard Jul 27 2013, 07:28 PM The way I see it: SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 Gohan's KHH > SPC's KHH > SSJ2 Gohan (2 arms) > SPC > FP PC > MSSJ Goku > MSSJ Gohan > Base Goku > Yakon > SSJ Teen Gohan~Base Vegeta Pre-Majin > Pocus > SSJ Trunks > SSJ Goten. Does Goku have to be stronger than the KHH he is stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan and not by alot? Base Vegeta ~ SSJ Gohan? Kid Trunks gave SSJ Vegeta trouble during sparring Base Vegeta would have gotten mascaraed. On top of that Teen Gohan had about the same difficulty as Vegeta with Goten who's basically the same as Trunks. SSJ Kids > > > > > Pui Pui Worn out Vegeta? Whatever we can compare, If you want. Namek Goku was training 100G, Trunks has trouble walking at 150G's, so is Base Trunks 50% stronger than Namek Goku? Or worn out Goku getting slapped up by Cell Jr's? Feats in Z don't make sense. Base Trunks was fighting close to par with 18. Heavily disagree with this. One post before you can find why.
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~~Dartlard~~	Jul 27 2013, 08:19 PM Post #95
Posts: 80 Group: Suspended Member #9,799 Joined: July 25, 2013 Favourite Anime DBZ	I also don't believe in ''too'' strong pre-htc kids, this exact reason. Base Gotenks being ~Ssj2 Adults, being too strong @base, makes the fusion look weak. By having them quite weak, then fusing making it them so much stronger combined makes it fusion extra that ''extreme''.



Hurry My Curry	Jul 27 2013, 08:23 PM Post #96
Master Troll Posts: 3,800 Group: Members Member #7,981 Joined: July 20, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	I think that while goku is stronger, he is not so strong that he can win in base.
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+ Pyrus	Jul 27 2013, 08:28 PM Post #97
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Dartlard Jul 27 2013, 08:19 PM I also don't believe in ''too'' strong pre-htc kids, this exact reason. Base Gotenks being ~Ssj2 Adults, being too strong @base, makes the fusion look weak. By having them quite weak, then fusing making it them so much stronger combined makes it fusion extra that ''extreme''. That doesn't disprove the statements, feats, and implications we're given for them. Your gravity argument is flawed and so is the Base Saiyans filling up half the meter for Boo. You haven't proven why Base Goku is this godly figure compared to the Super Saiyan kids.
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Zenet	Jul 27 2013, 08:40 PM Post #98
Posts: 2,755 Group: Member Member #8,544 Joined: November 11, 2012 Gender Not Specified	Sjk8 Jul 27 2013, 08:04 PM Cenet Jul 27 2013, 08:01 PM Dartlard Jul 27 2013, 07:49 PM Cenet Jul 27 2013, 07:46 PM Dartlard Jul 27 2013, 07:28 PM The way I see it: SSJ2 Goku > SSJ2 Gohan's KHH > SPC's KHH > SSJ2 Gohan (2 arms) > SPC > FP PC > MSSJ Goku > MSSJ Gohan > Base Goku > Yakon > SSJ Teen Gohan~Base Vegeta Pre-Majin > Pocus > SSJ Trunks > SSJ Goten. Does Goku have to be stronger than the KHH he is stronger than SSJ2 Kid Gohan and not by alot? Base Vegeta ~ SSJ Gohan? Kid Trunks gave SSJ Vegeta trouble during sparring Base Vegeta would have gotten mascaraed. On top of that Teen Gohan had about the same difficulty as Vegeta with Goten who's basically the same as Trunks. SSJ Kids > > > > > Pui Pui Worn out Vegeta? Whatever we can compare, If you want. Namek Goku was training 100G, Trunks has trouble walking at 150G's, so is Base Trunks 50% stronger than Namek Goku? Or worn out Goku getting slapped up by Cell Jr's? Feats in Z don't make sense. Base Trunks was fighting close to par with 18. Heavily disagree with this. One post before you can find why. Spoiler: click to toggle Bulma’s dad says 300x gravity will make Vegeta weigh 180,000 kg. The maths is off with 60 kg resulting 180,000 kg under that gravity , but that’s the number Akira wrote in there. Meanwhile Goku in Boo saga cant lift 40 tons. While Vegeta can move about at 180,000 kg which is about 200 tons. I don't think feats in Z make any sense. The only feats that make sense to me is when a opponent is stronger than the other



+ Pyrus	Jul 27 2013, 08:48 PM Post #99
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	The gravity argument would entail Bubbles > Yamcha.
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~~Dartlard~~	Jul 27 2013, 09:03 PM Post #100
Posts: 80 Group: Suspended Member #9,799 Joined: July 25, 2013 Favourite Anime DBZ	Do you have proof, that SSJ Trunks/Goten are stronger than my indicated Base Goku? Majin SSJ2 Vegeta/SSJ2 Goku > KHH SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SPC's KHH > SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SPC > FP PC > MSSJ Goku (Boo) > MSSJ Kid Gohan (CG) > Base Goku/Vegeta Post-Majin > (Boo) > SSJ Teen Gohan~Base Vegeta PM > Pocus > SSJ Trunks/Goten. Given the statements that Babidi and Kaioshin himself believe that Pocus is stronger. SSJ2 Teen Gohan got tooled too hard by Fat Boo, Vegeta thought Boo was a joke at first, and Boo is stomping SSJ2 Gohan.



Buuberries	Jul 27 2013, 09:09 PM Post #101
No Posts: 7,150 Group: Members Member #8,753 Joined: December 30, 2012 Gender Not Specified Country None Favourite Anime The Passion of Christ What Browser do you use? Christianity Favourite Manga The Bible	gravity thing makes no sense since it's about getting used to it rather than a direct indicator of strength. raditz would be used to much higher gravity since he grew up in that environment. when f. trunks and gohan first stepped into the rosat, they had problems. but raditz > them, according to your logic, so i guess that makes sense, rite, mr dartland sir Edited by Buuberries, Jul 27 2013, 09:09 PM.
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Hurry My Curry	Jul 27 2013, 09:12 PM Post #102
Master Troll Posts: 3,800 Group: Members Member #7,981 Joined: July 20, 2012 Favourite Anime Dragon Ball What Browser do you use? Firefox Favourite Manga Dragon Ball	Dartlard Jul 27 2013, 09:03 PM Do you have proof, that SSJ Trunks/Goten are stronger than my indicated Base Goku? Majin SSJ2 Vegeta/SSJ2 Goku > KHH SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SPC's KHH > SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SPC > FP PC > MSSJ Goku (Boo) > MSSJ Kid Gohan (CG) > Base Goku/Vegeta Post-Majin > (Boo) > SSJ Teen Gohan~Base Vegeta PM > Pocus > SSJ Trunks/Goten. Given the statements that Babidi and Kaioshin himself believe that Pocus is stronger. SSJ2 Teen Gohan got tooled too hard by Fat Boo, Vegeta thought Boo was a joke at first, and Boo is stomping SSJ2 Gohan. Goku is stronger than Gohan, but him being stronger than his SSjin in base is kind of crazy, don't you think? From the Cell Saga to the Boo saga, Gohan loses power, but not that much power. Goku gains power in the afterlife, but not a drastic amount of power. Most of the power he gains comes via transformations (SSJin 2 and SSjin 3). I find it unlikely that Goku progressed so much or Gohan lost that much power.
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Zenet	Jul 27 2013, 09:12 PM Post #103
Posts: 2,755 Group: Member Member #8,544 Joined: November 11, 2012 Gender Not Specified	Dartlard Jul 27 2013, 09:03 PM Do you have proof, that SSJ Trunks/Goten are stronger than my indicated Base Goku? Majin SSJ2 Vegeta/SSJ2 Goku > KHH SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SPC's KHH > SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SPC > FP PC > MSSJ Goku (Boo) > MSSJ Kid Gohan (CG) > Base Goku/Vegeta Post-Majin > (Boo) > SSJ Teen Gohan~Base Vegeta PM > Pocus > SSJ Trunks/Goten. Given the statements that Babidi and Kaioshin himself believe that Pocus is stronger. SSJ2 Teen Gohan got tooled too hard by Fat Boo, Vegeta thought Boo was a joke at first, and Boo is stomping SSJ2 Gohan. Boo fought MSSJ Gohan. Edited by Zenet, Jul 27 2013, 09:13 PM.



~~Dartlard~~	Jul 27 2013, 09:17 PM Post #104
Posts: 80 Group: Suspended Member #9,799 Joined: July 25, 2013 Favourite Anime DBZ	Hurry My Curry Jul 27 2013, 09:12 PM Dartlard Jul 27 2013, 09:03 PM Do you have proof, that SSJ Trunks/Goten are stronger than my indicated Base Goku? Majin SSJ2 Vegeta/SSJ2 Goku > KHH SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SPC's KHH > SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SPC > FP PC > MSSJ Goku (Boo) > MSSJ Kid Gohan (CG) > Base Goku/Vegeta Post-Majin > (Boo) > SSJ Teen Gohan~Base Vegeta PM > Pocus > SSJ Trunks/Goten. Given the statements that Babidi and Kaioshin himself believe that Pocus is stronger. SSJ2 Teen Gohan got tooled too hard by Fat Boo, Vegeta thought Boo was a joke at first, and Boo is stomping SSJ2 Gohan. Goku is stronger than Gohan, but him being stronger than his SSjin in base is kind of crazy, don't you think? From the Cell Saga to the Boo saga, Gohan loses power, but not that much power. Goku gains power in the afterlife, but not a drastic amount of power. Most of the power he gains comes via transformations (SSJin 2 and SSjin 3). I find it unlikely that Goku progressed so much or Gohan lost that much power. Goku is stronger than Gohan, but him being stronger than his SSjin in base is kind of crazy, don't you think? From the Cell Saga to the Boo saga, Gohan loses power, but not that much power. Goku gains power in the afterlife, but not a drastic amount of power. Most of the power he gains comes via transformations (SSJin 2 and SSjin 3). I find it unlikely that Goku progressed so much or Gohan lost that much power. Gohan lost alot of power, 7years is alot of time y'know. Vegeta basically was flabbergasted when he saw Gohan again at Budokai, from Beast to Garbage. And that goes for Goku aswell, 7years of training is alot especially in the afterlife. O well, plot determined his power.



+ Pyrus	Jul 27 2013, 09:30 PM Post #105
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Dartlard Jul 27 2013, 09:03 PM Do you have proof, that SSJ Trunks/Goten are stronger than my indicated Base Goku? Majin SSJ2 Vegeta/SSJ2 Goku > KHH SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SPC's KHH > SSJ2 Kid Gohan > SPC > FP PC > MSSJ Goku (Boo) > MSSJ Kid Gohan (CG) > Base Goku/Vegeta Post-Majin > (Boo) > SSJ Teen Gohan~Base Vegeta PM > Pocus > SSJ Trunks/Goten. Given the statements that Babidi and Kaioshin himself believe that Pocus is stronger. SSJ2 Teen Gohan got tooled too hard by Fat Boo, Vegeta thought Boo was a joke at first, and Boo is stomping SSJ2 Gohan. Yeah, but the burden is on you so I don't have to do anything but sit and wait for you to actually present a case.
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