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Base Goku (Boo Saga) vs. SSjin Trunks and Goten (Pre-RoSaT)
Topic Started: Jul 25 2013, 07:33 PM (5,307 Views)
Dartlard Jul 26 2013, 02:55 PM Post #31
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Sjk8
Jul 26 2013, 02:50 PM
Dartlard
Jul 26 2013, 02:30 PM
How come SSJ2 Gohan filled the Boo meter by half?
And the suppressed Base Saiya-jins were stated to be enough to fill the other half.


Also let's not forget how Goku was able to swing that Z-Sword like that without any prior training with the sword, while Gohan was going super for it.


Gohan went Ssj only in order to extract the sword, but then he used it simply in his base form.
Also, the first time they used the sword, Goku and Gohan practically struggled both in the same way:

Gohan using the sword


Goku using the sword


Base Goku is stronger than base Gohan (before training with the Z-Sword) though.

Dartlard
Jul 26 2013, 02:40 PM
Sjk8
Jul 26 2013, 02:37 PM
Ssj2 kid Gohan got surpassed only by Ssj2 Goku and Ssj2 Majin Vegeta, albeit Piccolo's words confirm the gap between them not being big at all.
Ssj Goten gave Ssj adult Gohan a hard time, and when the kids went full power before the Rosat, during the fusion training with Goku, Piccolo s***ted his pants, and that's the same Piccolo who asked if he could have had a chance against initial PC and who would roast with ease someone of Semi-Cell's caliber.

Base Goku is obviously nowhere close to that level of power, and are Ssj2 Goku himself and Majin Vegeta the ones who tell you this.

Goku gets brutally one-shotted.
So you believe, Base Gohan + Base Goku + Base Vegeta > SSJ2 Gohan?


No, but if you go only by what it is said during the Babidy arc, you are let to believe that base Saiyans are > Piccolo, which is false.

Cenet
Jul 26 2013, 02:40 PM
Sjk8
Jul 26 2013, 02:37 PM
Ssj2 kid Gohan got surpassed only by Ssj2 Goku and Ssj2 Majin Vegeta, albeit Piccolo's words confirm the gap between them not being big at all.
Ssj Goten gave Ssj adult Gohan a hard time, and when the kids went full power before the Rosat, during the fusion training with Goku, Piccolo s***ted his pants, and that's the same Piccolo who asked if he could have had a chance against initial PC and who would roast with ease someone of Semi-Cell's caliber.

Base Goku is obviously nowhere close to that level of power, and are Ssj2 Goku himself and Majin Vegeta the ones who tell you this.

Goku gets brutally one-shotted.
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I was referring to Dartland, not to you, otherwise I would have directly quoted your message.
SSJ2 Gohan got a HUGE boost for training with a sword, that Goku could handle as base.
Either way, suppressed Base Goku/Gohan and Vegeta were stated to fill that Boo meter that was already filled half by SSJ2 Gohan.
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Dartlard Jul 26 2013, 03:00 PM Post #32
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As a matter of fact, I believe Base Goku would 1-shot Ssj Goten and Ssj Trunks.
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AA500 Jul 26 2013, 03:07 PM Post #33
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Dartlard
Jul 26 2013, 02:55 PM
Sjk8
Jul 26 2013, 02:50 PM
Dartlard
Jul 26 2013, 02:30 PM
How come SSJ2 Gohan filled the Boo meter by half?
And the suppressed Base Saiya-jins were stated to be enough to fill the other half.


Also let's not forget how Goku was able to swing that Z-Sword like that without any prior training with the sword, while Gohan was going super for it.


Gohan went Ssj only in order to extract the sword, but then he used it simply in his base form.
Also, the first time they used the sword, Goku and Gohan practically struggled both in the same way:

Gohan using the sword


Goku using the sword


Base Goku is stronger than base Gohan (before training with the Z-Sword) though.

Dartlard
Jul 26 2013, 02:40 PM
Sjk8
Jul 26 2013, 02:37 PM
Ssj2 kid Gohan got surpassed only by Ssj2 Goku and Ssj2 Majin Vegeta, albeit Piccolo's words confirm the gap between them not being big at all.
Ssj Goten gave Ssj adult Gohan a hard time, and when the kids went full power before the Rosat, during the fusion training with Goku, Piccolo s***ted his pants, and that's the same Piccolo who asked if he could have had a chance against initial PC and who would roast with ease someone of Semi-Cell's caliber.

Base Goku is obviously nowhere close to that level of power, and are Ssj2 Goku himself and Majin Vegeta the ones who tell you this.

Goku gets brutally one-shotted.
So you believe, Base Gohan + Base Goku + Base Vegeta > SSJ2 Gohan?


No, but if you go only by what it is said during the Babidy arc, you are let to believe that base Saiyans are > Piccolo, which is false.

Cenet
Jul 26 2013, 02:40 PM
Sjk8
Jul 26 2013, 02:37 PM
Ssj2 kid Gohan got surpassed only by Ssj2 Goku and Ssj2 Majin Vegeta, albeit Piccolo's words confirm the gap between them not being big at all.
Ssj Goten gave Ssj adult Gohan a hard time, and when the kids went full power before the Rosat, during the fusion training with Goku, Piccolo s***ted his pants, and that's the same Piccolo who asked if he could have had a chance against initial PC and who would roast with ease someone of Semi-Cell's caliber.

Base Goku is obviously nowhere close to that level of power, and are Ssj2 Goku himself and Majin Vegeta the ones who tell you this.

Goku gets brutally one-shotted.
I was kidding. Posted Image


I was referring to Dartland, not to you, otherwise I would have directly quoted your message.
SSJ2 Gohan got a HUGE boost for training with a sword, that Goku could handle as base.
Either way, suppressed Base Goku/Gohan and Vegeta were stated to fill that Boo meter that was already filled half by SSJ2 Gohan.
Gohan handled the sword with complete ease in base, not in SSJ2 after his training. Also out of curiosity is this the first DBZ forum you've been on?
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Sjk8 Jul 26 2013, 03:17 PM Post #34
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Dartlard
Jul 26 2013, 02:55 PM
SSJ2 Gohan got a HUGE boost for training with a sword, that Goku could handle as base.


Ssj2 Gohan got a huge boost because, training with the sword, his base form got stronger: Gohan indeed trained in base form, as the scan I posted you shows.
And the other scan shows Gohan and Goku handling the sword in the same identical way.
I honestly don't know what do you want to prove with this non-argument.

Dartlard
Jul 26 2013, 02:55 PM
Either way, suppressed Base Goku/Gohan and Vegeta were stated to fill that Boo meter that was already filled half by SSJ2 Gohan.


So, are you saying that base Gohan > Ssj2 Gohan? :huh:
Explain.

Dartlard
Jul 26 2013, 03:00 PM
As a matter of fact, I believe Base Goku would 1-shot Ssj Goten and Ssj Trunks.


Frankly, as a matter of fact, this is only your personal opinion which isn't in any way supported by the manga, as I have shown above.
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Dartlard Jul 26 2013, 03:22 PM Post #35
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If Babidi thought Base Goku, Base Vegeta and Base Gohan suppressed were to fill the other half of the Boo Meter, why is Ssj Goten stronger than Base Goku if he's not suppressed?

It's simple mathmatics here, really.
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SSJ Jul 26 2013, 03:26 PM Post #36
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 Babidi most likely has a way to sense the potential of someone. He could probably tell that the Saiyans had a lot more energy to give than what they were showing. This is why he didn't want to use Piccolo's energy. He could probably tell that the Saiyans were holding back their super saiyan power.
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+ Pyrus Jul 26 2013, 03:27 PM Post #37
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 Dartland is convenient.
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Dartlard Jul 26 2013, 03:29 PM Post #38
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Jul 26 2013, 03:26 PM
Babidi most likely has a way to sense the potential of someone. He could probably tell that the Saiyans had a lot more energy to give than what they were showing. This is why he didn't want to use Piccolo's energy. He could probably tell that the Saiyans were holding back their super saiyan power.
We know that's not true, because why sent Pocus against the 2nd strongest fighter of that group?
Kaioshin + Babidi have statements that put Pocus above Kaioshin here, despite his feats against Fat Boo.
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Zenet Jul 26 2013, 03:30 PM Post #39
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Dartlard
Jul 26 2013, 03:00 PM
As a matter of fact, I believe Base Goku would 1-shot Ssj Goten and Ssj Trunks.


This says it all.
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AA500 Jul 26 2013, 03:33 PM Post #40
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SSJ Jul 26 2013, 03:34 PM Post #41
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Dartlard
Jul 26 2013, 03:29 PM
SuperSaiyan2
Jul 26 2013, 03:26 PM
Babidi most likely has a way to sense the potential of someone. He could probably tell that the Saiyans had a lot more energy to give than what they were showing. This is why he didn't want to use Piccolo's energy. He could probably tell that the Saiyans were holding back their super saiyan power.
We know that's not true, because why sent Pocus against the 2nd strongest fighter of that group?
Kaioshin + Babidi have statements that put Pocus above Kaioshin here, despite his feats against Fat Boo.
Because he probably didn't think they could use their potential, kind of like Vegeta. He brought out Vegeta's potential, so he definitely knows if people have more potential. He probably thought they just were not capable of using it, hence why Pocus was sent.
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Sjk8 Jul 26 2013, 03:45 PM Post #42
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Jul 26 2013, 03:22 PM
If Babidi thought Base Goku, Base Vegeta and Base Gohan suppressed were to fill the other half of the Boo Meter, why is Ssj Goten stronger than Base Goku if he's not suppressed?

It's simple mathmatics here, really.


Babidi also thought Pui Pui could have taken care of Vegeta; Kaioshin held Ssj2 Gohan for a while and yet he was about to cry against Yakon.

This quote dismantles your argument:

Chapter: 458 (DBZ 264), P8.1-4
Context: as Goku and Vegeta are about to fight
Goku: "I don't wanna take any damage from you and have it become Majin Boo's energy...So I'm gonna end this quickly, at maximum power."
Vegeta: "I'm looking forward to this...Show me the fruits of your training in the afterlife. *Goku transforms into Super Saiyan 2* Just as I'd expect. Your power is greater than Gohan's was back then!"

And that's about Ssj2 Goku.
If base Goku is stronger than Ssj Goten who is nearly at Ssj Gohan's level, what sense would this quote have?

And, before you say it: no, Gohan didn't lose so much power.
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Muyasuki Jul 26 2013, 04:44 PM Post #43
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 I'm honestly confused that this is even a debate. The only way Goku could possibly win this would be if he was shown to be significantly more powerful then he was shown. The fact that the implied gap between SS2 Goku and SS2 Kid Gohan is implied to not be that large confirms it. I can not figure out a possible way to have Base Goku above SS Goten and Trunks and still have that questionable gap between Goku and Kid Gohan. Further, it was shown both in the manga and anime that both Goten and Trunks weren't all that far away from Gohan and Pre-Majin Vegeta respectively in the same form.

There is literally no way that Goku could handle either of these two individually, much less together in base form. I mean, I admit that I hate how powerful the kids were (especially if fusion was going to be introduced anyways), but they were powerful. Not wanting them to be as powerful as they were shown to be doesn't change that.
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+ Pyrus Jul 26 2013, 07:58 PM Post #44
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 That thread is a great example of why nobody takes the Lounge forum seriously. It's a complete travesty (where are the mods?), and from what I've read, 95% of those kids don't know what they're even talking about. They're like a gang of Youtubers on an actual forum.
Kagami
 
Buu Saga Goku + Buu Saga Vegeta =Vegito>Buuhan>Buutenks>Mystic Gohan
Goten + Trunks= Gotenks>Fat Buu

Get what I am saying Goku alone in base has more power than them.

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Raniero
 
Shut up.

That was in response to one of Saqer's posts. Seriously?
Lvl 101 Magikarp
 
lol, most retarded post ever, almost everything you said was wrong

And that was in response to a post by some guest who made a text wall of legitimate points.
Roelito
 
People are really down-playing Son Goku. You guys forget that Son Goku has Kaioken! That gives him less than half of the Super Saiyan transformation’s power.

Goku wins both scenarios. Get off those kids' cock for once.

Probably one of the most ironic posts in that thread.

I don't get it, Saqer. What's possessing you to keep posting there?

On-topic, a legitimate argument for having Base Goku superior to the Super Saiyan kids, I have not heard.
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Zenet Jul 26 2013, 08:02 PM Post #45
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Roelito post cracked me up especially the second sentence.
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