miguelnuva

Jul 26 2013, 01:04 AM

Brofist

Jul 26 2013, 12:58 AM

EDIT: I'm referring to canon Gogeta, as far as M12 Gogeta goes I'll have to get into a different argument with that.

M12 is Canon Gogeta. Half the problems with Gogeta is because people think of a Manga version of hims. Gogeta is in the same boat as Cooler and Broly.

At could have fused them together and called the dance Veku, he says he doesn't want to copy the movies in the manga so he can hint and tease Gogeta but the official Gogeta is the M12 and GT versions.

Brofist

Jul 26 2013, 02:55 AM

and yet were actually given forumula's in the story or outside. For example were specifically given a 10x changed to 50x SSj multiplier.

Brofist

Jul 26 2013, 02:34 AM

My original argument was that people were using the lines by Goku that if he could fuse with Gohan, he could beat Gotenks Boo, or to some degree of that level and treated as a statement that was automatically true and couldn't be wrong. While this statement may have worked if we used specifically low SSJ multipliers and larger gaps between the fusees or Gotenks and Gogeta, with 50x it just doesn't.

In fact I'm not sure if I can make SSJ Gogeta stronger than SSj Post Gotenks even if I did use a 10x SSJ multiplier.

I'd have something like:

Base Gotenks: 10

Base Gogeta: 40

SSJ Gogeta: 400

SSJ Gotenks: 100

Base Gotenks (Post): 120

SSJ Gotenks 1200

Again, just using a 10x multiplier and making the difference between Gogeta and Pre-Gotenks 4x is enough for SSj Gotenks to soundly stomp SSj Gogeta. My point is that if you want Gogeta to be stronger than Gotenks, you've really got to squeeze and/or expand the numbers.

AllStarSuperman

Jul 26 2013, 03:23 AM

Brofist

Jul 26 2013, 02:34 AM

My original argument was that people were using the lines by Goku that if he could fuse with Gohan, he could beat Gotenks Boo, or to some degree of that level and treated as a statement that was automatically true and couldn't be wrong. While this statement may have worked if we used specifically low SSJ multipliers and larger gaps between the fusees or Gotenks and Gogeta, with 50x it just doesn't.

In fact I'm not sure if I can make SSJ Gogeta stronger than SSj Post Gotenks even if I did use a 10x SSJ multiplier.

I'd have something like:

Base Gotenks: 10

Base Gogeta: 40

SSJ Gogeta: 400

SSJ Gotenks: 100

Base Gotenks (Post): 120

SSJ Gotenks 1200

Again, just using a 10x multiplier and making the difference between Gogeta and Pre-Gotenks 4x is enough for SSj Gotenks to soundly stomp SSj Gogeta. My point is that if you want Gogeta to be stronger than Gotenks, you've really got to squeeze and/or expand the numbers.

That's quite a jump you have for Gotenks pre to post ROSAT. How did you come to that conclusion when Trunks and Goten only spent 7 days in the time chamber? A 12x increase in under 180 hours (taking sleep into regard) at a gravity level of 10x Earth's. I don't see the boys making that much of a gain tbh.

Brofist

Jul 26 2013, 03:22 AM

Yes you do my friend. I want to see your points, see how Gotenks (Pre) compares to Gogeta and how Gogeta compares to Gotenks (Post) and how you came to those conclusions cause from what I saw from you, you didn't have a massive gap between Goten and Goku (And thus that would be a marking point to the difference between Gogeta and Pre-Gotenks).

And if Gogeta somehow has a bigger difference from Pre-Gotenks than from Goku and Goten (again our marking point) why does Gogeta have such a difference, one of nearly 20x (as I believe you also use a 10x SSJ multiplier) that makes SSj Gogeta>SSJ Gotenk>Base Gotenks (Post)>SSJ Gotenks (Pre)