Brofist

Jul 26 2013, 12:34 AM

ObsessiveFanGuy

Jul 25 2013, 11:55 PM

Brofist

Jul 25 2013, 09:16 PM

Because if you're going to use a 50x SSj multiplier, which was the original common multiplier to start out with, then you have no choice but to have Gotenks higher, since nothing implies that Goku/Vegeta are massively ahead of Goten and Trunks and/or that the fusion amp for Gogeta is massively ahead of Gotenks that despite the fact that Base Gotenks ended up being more powerful than his SSJ Pre-Gotenks self, Gogeta still somehow managed to become stronger.

You have to somehow prove that there is a massive gap between the two in some way and there's just nothing that implies that.

As for the first comment. Dabura notes that there are 3 large powers, Goku, Vegeta and Gohan, Piccolo is cast aside with the rest of the trash. I believe such a statement is even given twice. A direct statement right there is given in the manga and yet I know many people still have Piccolo>Base Saiyans.

It's thrown aside as a trash comment because everybody was suppressed, so Dabura had to have been sensing something deeper.

So Dabura>Fat Boo right? Because by the logic your giving me, you're saying Dabura was sensing hidden power within Goku, Vegeta and Gohan, and yet thought he could take on Fat Boo in a fight.

This is the same thing with Gotenks and Gogeta. Goku's statement about fusing with Gohan to beat Gotenks Boo ends up in low tide and has no backing unless you really try to force the numbers. In fact if we were to say the fusion multiplier depends on the users, Gotenks himself should actually get a higher increase considering the kids seemed to have more potential inside them than Goku and Vegeta.

Likewise, who's to say they can even suppress themselves down that low? Goku notes that nobody in other world was strong enough for him to fuse with, yet despite that that shouldn't have stopped Goku from suppressing himself down to that level. Again you've got a statement that doesn't match up with the context were given. Of course I used the Dabura statement as a means to show that the statements given in the manga don't always match up to the context of the story.

Dabura states that Goku, Vegeta and Gohan all have great and excludes Piccolo. This line is not contradicted via quotes or something else nor is it treated like he's sensing deeper energy. It's given as a direct statement and is intended to be taken seriously. Yet looking at the context later on, though the statement is intended to be true, its context surrounding it makes it false.

So we've got the same thing here. Goku says that Fusion with Gohan would beat Gotenks Boo, probably a bit less considering Boo's confidence. If you use a 10x SSj multiplier and make sure the gap between Pre-Gotenks and Gogeta was rather large at first too, you might be able to make it. The moment you use 50x, it's just not happening.

Brofist

Jul 26 2013, 12:49 AM

The only thing you said was "it's treated as trash comment is cast aside and that Dabura was sensing something deeper" Which is never implied in the manga or outside of it and even contradicted when he can't even sense the hidden power inside Boo when Goku himself could.

The statement is clearly given that were supposed to take it seriously, that Gohan, Vegeta and Goku are all stronger than Piccolo and that by that notion, Base Saiyans>Piccolo. That's what the manga is clearly telling us with the statement.

But by all means, tell me what you mean.

Brofist

Jul 26 2013, 12:58 AM

Chapter: 447 (DBZ 253), P11.1-3
Context: talking about how Yamu and Spopovitch were followed by Goku and co.
Dabra: “Seems they’re trying to hide from us…In total…there are 7. We can’t use Kaioshin and Kibito’s energy…But 3 of them seem to have marvelous energy…”
Babidi: “Looks like it. It seems that we’ll get more than enough energy from just those 3…Kuhihihi…To think that we’d be able to revive Majin Boo so quickly…”

Statement right there indicating that not only can Dabura sense energy, but is pretty darn good at it himself. He can pinpoint the exact number of people, figure out Kaiosihn's and kibito's ki and then pinpoint the 3 strongest fighters just from that.

EDIT: I'm referring to canon Gogeta, as far as M12 Gogeta goes I'll have to get into a different argument with that.

Brofist

Jul 26 2013, 12:58 AM

EDIT: I'm referring to canon Gogeta, as far as M12 Gogeta goes I'll have to get into a different argument with that.

SuperSaiyan2

Jul 26 2013, 01:11 AM

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