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SSJ Gotenks (Post-ROSAT) Vs SSJ Gogeta
Topic Started: Jul 25 2013, 02:26 PM (6,756 Views)
Muhahahaha Jul 25 2013, 07:28 PM Post #61
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SHH.. we are arguing about something else right now. I'm looking for the chapter where goku speaks with old kai..
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+ Pyrus Jul 25 2013, 07:30 PM Post #62
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 Mastering the technique gives a larger boost. It's why SSj Gotenks before the RoSaT was only marginally ahead of SSj3 Goku, base Gotenks surpassed his old SSj power and yet remained below Gogeta, unless Gogeta somehow got a gigantic SSj3 multiplier.
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+ Clearin Jul 25 2013, 07:33 PM Post #63
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Jul 25 2013, 07:30 PM
Mastering the technique gives a larger boost.
Now that is something I'd like proven.
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+ Pyrus Jul 25 2013, 07:36 PM Post #64
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 Sure, I'll prove my trolling as soon as I get back on my computer. ;)
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Muhahahaha Jul 25 2013, 07:49 PM Post #65
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Before you'll explain it, I think the main arguement here should be on the gokhan = gogeta in dance theroy. I'm not quite sure if that's neccesarly true but those think gogeta doesnt get a rival boost belive it.
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AA500 Jul 25 2013, 07:52 PM Post #66
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I can see Gotenks Post>Gogeta being possible. Logically the gap between Gogeta and Gotenks Pre should be like the gap between Goku and Goten. An SSJ Goten>Base Goku like SSJ Gotenks pre> Base Gogeta, but Gotenks surpassing his SSJ Self he'd be nearly on par with the SSJ Power of Gogeta, with his SSJ overwhelming him. Goku's statement about the fusion dance giving him and Vegeta a chance against Super Boo entirely BS because he was desperate and grasping at straws.
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Muhahahaha Jul 25 2013, 07:56 PM Post #67
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if we give gotenks and gogeta the same fusion multipliers and no rival boost for both, post rosat gotenks is miles stronger.
The manga clearly doesnt agree with that.
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Muhahahaha Jul 25 2013, 08:01 PM Post #68
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Jul 25 2013, 07:30 PM
Mastering the technique gives a larger boost. It's why SSj Gotenks before the RoSaT was only marginally ahead of SSj3 Goku, base Gotenks surpassed his old SSj power and yet remained below Gogeta, unless Gogeta somehow got a gigantic SSj3 multiplier.
I think I understand. Gotenks mastered the fusion dance like Goku did in the other world which is why the gap between gogeta and gotenks is the same as goku/vegeta and goten/trunks only post rosat.
Gogeta Automatically gets the mastering post rosat gotenks has because goku has it. Same for gokhan.

Mastering the fusion boost gives you the boost gotenks got in the rosat, basically.
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Vertical Jul 25 2013, 08:05 PM Post #69
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Jul 25 2013, 07:30 PM
Mastering the technique gives a larger boost. It's why SSj Gotenks before the RoSaT was only marginally ahead of SSj3 Goku, base Gotenks surpassed his old SSj power and yet remained below Gogeta, unless Gogeta somehow got a gigantic SSj3 multiplier.
If you could somehow prove that mastering fusion actually exists... and then prove that [Dance] Gokhan or Gogeta would be a "mastered" fusion... it would solve a LOT of issues.

But if mastering fusion exists and Goku+Vegeta/Gohan resulted in a non-mastered fusion, it would push the adults even further from the kids...


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Muhahahaha
Jul 25 2013, 08:01 PM
I think I understand. Gotenks mastered the fusion dance like Goku did in the other world which is why the gap between gogeta and gotenks is the same as goku/vegeta and goten/trunks only post rosat.
Gogeta Automatically gets the mastering post rosat gotenks has because goku has it. Same for gokhan.

Mastering the fusion boost gives you the boost gotenks got in the rosat, basically.
The problem is proving that only one participant needs to master fusion to result in a mastered fusion character.
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+ Pyrus Jul 25 2013, 08:06 PM Post #70
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 That's basically it.

And dance Gogeta would equal dance Gokhan.
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Muhahahaha Jul 25 2013, 08:10 PM Post #71
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I think I agree with KP now by the way, since he allows fusion multipliers. I just need to have 2 multipliers: one for unmastered fusion dance and one for mastered. The explaining for goku mastering it and therfore making a good guess fits perfectly to me as well. I'd have:
Unmastered Dance = x100(pre rosat gotenks)
Mastered Dance = x3,000(post rosat gotenks & gogeta & gokhan, using a x10 ssj multiplier)
Gogeta doesnt need a rival boost, I'm throwng my arguement.
I just found it absurd how each fusion would have a different multiplier. Doesnt make any sense.
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+ Pyrus Jul 25 2013, 08:21 PM Post #72
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 It's only a theory I heard once. I'd have to look into it to actually prove it if I wanted to.
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Muhahahaha Jul 25 2013, 08:22 PM Post #73
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Where you heard it?
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Muhahahaha Jul 25 2013, 08:43 PM Post #74
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Just found it.
http://dbzf.co.uk/topic/8420398/1/
Go to Crashbreaka's post.
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What if there was a threshold for actually mastering fusion? So with Gotenks you can keep Goten and Trunks pretty low whereas Gotenks was capable of surpassing his own SSJ state in his Base form.

That way since I'm pretty sure Goku said he 'mastered fusion', a fusion between him and Vegeta would be at it's peak, and with Goten and Trunks they would've trained it up.
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EMIYA Jul 25 2013, 08:45 PM Post #75
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"I am the bone of my sword."

 Even if Gogeta does indeed have a larger Fusion increase than Gotenks, it really shouldn't be that big. At least lower than the double digits for sure, I know many of you use the 10x SSj multiplier so take into account Gotenks increase in the ROSAT, you could still close the gap between them while theoretically still having Gogeta slightly ahead.

However once you use the more common 50x multiplier, it's over. Goku's little quote about needing Fusion is just wrong at this point unless there were as already a massive gap between Gotenks and Gogeta that apparently a 40x+ increase could not close.
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