SSJ Gotenks (Post-ROSAT) Vs SSJ Gogeta

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SSJ Gotenks (Post-ROSAT) Vs SSJ Gogeta
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Muhahahaha	Jul 25 2013, 07:04 PM Post #46
Posts: 665 Group: Member Member #6,898 Joined: October 23, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? chrome of course Favourite Manga none	Clearin Jul 25 2013, 07:02 PM The fusion multiplier is obviously not the same for everyone. Remember how Goku thought fusing with Mr Satan would barley increase his power, if at all? Well if it was a set multiplier Mr Satan fused with Goku would be pretty much half the strength of a non-rival boosted Vegetto, and that's obviously BS. To put it in numbers: Mr Satan: 1 Goku: 1,000 Vegeta: 1,000 Potara: A + B * 10 Mr Satan + Goku potara = 10,010 Vegetto without rival boost = 20,000 Obviously that's Potara and not fusion dance but I believe the same logic applies, just that potara gives bigger boosts to lower PLs. Potara isnt the same as fusion dance. My arugement is for dance, not potara. I would agree that the multiplier cheanges in potara based on your post. Edit: Just a second there KP Iw ill read yours.. Edited by Muhahahaha, Jul 25 2013, 07:05 PM.



+ Pyrus	Jul 25 2013, 07:06 PM Post #47
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	The "proof" that the dance has a rival boost is what exactly? "Prove it doesn't?" That's poor. The rival boost is brought up for the Potara (in the context of said Potara) and not once for the dance. As far as the story lets us know, the rival boost is Potara-exclusive. That's all there is to it.
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~~Super Vegetto~~	Jul 25 2013, 07:07 PM Post #48
Posts: 3,460 Group: Suspended Member #7,405 Joined: March 6, 2012	Muhahahaha Jul 25 2013, 07:02 PM ObsessiveFanGuy Jul 25 2013, 07:00 PM Muhahahaha Jul 25 2013, 06:58 PM ObsessiveFanGuy Jul 25 2013, 06:57 PM Muhahahaha Jul 25 2013, 06:54 PM ObsessiveFanGuy Jul 25 2013, 06:51 PM Muhahahaha Jul 25 2013, 06:48 PM Muhahahaha Jul 25 2013, 06:39 PM Goku wouldnt be able to say How strong Gotenks would be if "fusion multiplier" isnt simply the same for everyone.. Quote: He has enough of a grasp on how it works to say "Judging by Goten and Trunks' powers they'll end up stronger than Buu" What were his estimitons based on, thought? Should we just assume he knew because of an untold knowledge? Quote: Prove there's a rival boost for the dance? Old kai said that "two rivals are joining, that's strongest" IIRC. he doesnt say its only for the potara. Yet he's talking in the context of the Potara, not the dance. To me, he doesnt seem to refer to the rival boost as something that fusion dance cannot receive. So its possible imo. Possible, but then you'd have to prove it. My personal proof is the fact that based on Goku being able to guess how strong gotenks would be, Fusion multiplier is the same for everyone. or else how would he know? Since without a rival boost gogeta would end up far weaker than post-rosat gotenks, him getting a rival boost makes sense to me. But...is that actual evidence and not just your belief? @Super Vegetto: Don't even start. Maybe. How do you explain Goku being able to guess Pre rosat ssj gotenks would be stronger than his ssj3? The power comes from rivals (Goku and Vegeta), not potara Obviously. Nothing says that joining bodys diffrent way wouldn't give them some power like it did before.
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Muhahahaha	Jul 25 2013, 07:08 PM Post #49
Posts: 665 Group: Member Member #6,898 Joined: October 23, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? chrome of course Favourite Manga none	ObsessiveFanGuy Jul 25 2013, 07:03 PM Muhahahaha Jul 25 2013, 07:02 PM ObsessiveFanGuy Jul 25 2013, 07:00 PM Muhahahaha Jul 25 2013, 06:58 PM ObsessiveFanGuy Jul 25 2013, 06:57 PM Muhahahaha Jul 25 2013, 06:54 PM ObsessiveFanGuy Jul 25 2013, 06:51 PM Muhahahaha Jul 25 2013, 06:48 PM Muhahahaha Jul 25 2013, 06:39 PM Goku wouldnt be able to say How strong Gotenks would be if "fusion multiplier" isnt simply the same for everyone.. Quote: He has enough of a grasp on how it works to say "Judging by Goten and Trunks' powers they'll end up stronger than Buu" What were his estimitons based on, thought? Should we just assume he knew because of an untold knowledge? Quote: Prove there's a rival boost for the dance? Old kai said that "two rivals are joining, that's strongest" IIRC. he doesnt say its only for the potara. Yet he's talking in the context of the Potara, not the dance. To me, he doesnt seem to refer to the rival boost as something that fusion dance cannot receive. So its possible imo. Possible, but then you'd have to prove it. My personal proof is the fact that based on Goku being able to guess how strong gotenks would be, Fusion multiplier is the same for everyone. or else how would he know? Since without a rival boost gogeta would end up far weaker than post-rosat gotenks, him getting a rival boost makes sense to me. But...is that actual evidence and not just your belief? @Super Vegetto: Don't even start. Maybe. How do you explain Goku being able to guess Pre rosat ssj gotenks would be stronger than his ssj3? He was taught the art. He knew the power of the boys. He knew the power of himself and Boo. He made an educated guess. You'd have to assume he could give a good guess on goten's and trunks "personal fusion multiplier"...



+ Pyrus	Jul 25 2013, 07:09 PM Post #50
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P9.2-3 Context: as Vegetto beats up on Gohan-absorbed Boo Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!” Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.” Yeah...that's all said in reference to the Potara. Goku and Vegeta brought the Potara that far, and their rivalry made it even better. That's never implied or stated for the dance. Edited by Pyrus, Jul 25 2013, 07:10 PM.
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SSJ	Jul 25 2013, 07:09 PM Post #51
Posts: 16,377 Group: General Member #8,258 Joined: September 8, 2012 Gender Female Country Sweden Favourite Anime Psycho Pass, Steins;Gate, Fullmetal Alchemist: Brotherhood Favourite Manga One Piece, Berserk, Rurouni Kenshin, Gantz	You guys act like the rival boost is something major, when Old Kai makes it seem like a minor component of the fusion. It was just a small bonus.



Muhahahaha	Jul 25 2013, 07:11 PM Post #52
Posts: 665 Group: Member Member #6,898 Joined: October 23, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? chrome of course Favourite Manga none	KP I never said that the proof for him getting a rival boost is "prove he doesnt". I said that I think it makes the most sense that goku takes a good educated guess on gotenks's power with the fusion multiplier being the same for everyone, because I'm not sure hed know the "personal fusion increase" for goten and trunks fusion. That's all. Quote: You guys act like the rival boost is something major, when Old Kai makes it seem like a minor component of the fusion. It was just a small bonus. I dont think its so big. Probaly less than x50. The potara multiplier for goku and vegeta is a lot bigger than that. Edited by Muhahahaha, Jul 25 2013, 07:12 PM.



~~Super Vegetto~~	Jul 25 2013, 07:14 PM Post #53
Posts: 3,460 Group: Suspended Member #7,405 Joined: March 6, 2012	ObsessiveFanGuy Jul 25 2013, 07:09 PM Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P9.2-3 Context: as Vegetto beats up on Gohan-absorbed Boo Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!” Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.” Yeah...that's all said in reference to the Potara. Goku and Vegeta brought the Potara that far, and their rivalry made it even better. That's never implied or stated for the dance. What's more Goku and Gohan wouldn't get rival boost because they are not rivals (Old kai mentioned what's more because plan was for Goku and Gohan to fuse who obviously don't get what's more boost). It's never implied for fusion dance because Goten and Trunks are not rivals like Goku and Vegeta, but again Potara is what provides more power in fusion character...
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Zenet	Jul 25 2013, 07:14 PM Post #54
Posts: 2,755 Group: Member Member #8,544 Joined: November 11, 2012 Gender Not Specified	The way I see it. Fusion dance has a set multiplier and the SSJ ratio with Base does not. Explaining why in my opinion Gogeta > Base Gotenks (post) > SSJ Gotenks (pre)



Muhahahaha	Jul 25 2013, 07:17 PM Post #55
Posts: 665 Group: Member Member #6,898 Joined: October 23, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? chrome of course Favourite Manga none	Just a sec. I may not remember but has old kai ever wanted to have gohan and goku fuse with the dance to beat boo?



+ Pyrus	Jul 25 2013, 07:18 PM Post #56
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Muhahahaha Jul 25 2013, 07:11 PM KP I never said that the proof for him getting a rival boost is "prove he doesnt". I never said that's what you said. Quote: I said that I think it makes the most sense that goku takes a good educated guess on gotenks's power with the fusion multiplier being the same for everyone, because I'm not sure hed know the "personal fusion increase" for goten and trunks fusion. That's all. Completely mastering the dance is a better option. Super Vegetto Jul 25 2013, 07:14 PM ObsessiveFanGuy Jul 25 2013, 07:09 PM Chapter: 504 (DBZ 310), P9.2-3 Context: as Vegetto beats up on Gohan-absorbed Boo Kaioshin-Kibito: “H-he’s strong!!! Majin Boo there is helpless!!! To think that merging with the Potara would be this incredible…!!” Elder Kaioshin: “Idiot, it’s because it was those two that they were able to go so far. Two of the top 3 masters in both the living world and afterlife have merged, after all. What’s more, two rivals have joined together. That’s definitely strongest.” Yeah...that's all said in reference to the Potara. Goku and Vegeta brought the Potara that far, and their rivalry made it even better. That's never implied or stated for the dance. What's more Goku and Gohan wouldn't get rival boost because they are not rivals (Old kai mentioned what's more because plan was for Goku and Gohan to fuse who obviously don't get what's more boost). It's never implied for fusion dance because Goten and Trunks are not rivals like Goku and Vegeta, but again Potara is what provides more power in fusion character... It doesn't matter if Goten and Trunks weren't rivals. It would have come up at some point, perhaps when Goku was actually talking about fusing with Vegeta on the Lookout. Quote: Just a sec. I may not remember but has old kai ever wanted to have gohan and goku fuse with the dance to beat boo? Goku wanted to and Elder Kaioshin said Boo wouldn't give them the time to do it. Edited by Pyrus, Jul 25 2013, 07:18 PM.
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~~Super Vegetto~~	Jul 25 2013, 07:20 PM Post #57
Posts: 3,460 Group: Suspended Member #7,405 Joined: March 6, 2012	Muhahahaha Jul 25 2013, 07:17 PM Just a sec. I may not remember but has old kai ever wanted to have gohan and goku fuse with the dance to beat boo?[/quotemy mistake.. Edited by Super Vegetto, Jul 25 2013, 07:21 PM.
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Muhahahaha	Jul 25 2013, 07:21 PM Post #58
Posts: 665 Group: Member Member #6,898 Joined: October 23, 2011 Favourite Anime dbz What Browser do you use? chrome of course Favourite Manga none	lol I need to get used to read everything others say before posting. Quote: I said that I think it makes the most sense that goku takes a good educated guess on gotenks's power with the fusion multiplier being the same for everyone, because I'm not sure hed know the "personal fusion increase" for goten and trunks fusion. That's all. Quote: Completely mastering the dance is a better option. \ What do you mean? I'm having a hard time understaing the "completely mastering the fusion dance" part.



+ Pyrus	Jul 25 2013, 07:21 PM Post #59
Posts: 39,342 Group: Legend Member #5,088 Joined: August 1, 2010 Gender Not Specified Country Chile	Some of the power in Potara fused characters.
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RealSociedad	Jul 25 2013, 07:25 PM Post #60
Posts: 1,352 Group: Member Member #9,575 Joined: June 4, 2013 Favourite Anime Dragonball Z What Browser do you use? Mozilla Firefox Favourite Manga Dragonball Z	Goku SSJ > Vegeta SSJ> SSJ Trunks> Post Rosat. Is that so hard? Gogeta stomps Gotenks.



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