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Gohan Ascended Sayian State VS Super Perfect Cell
Topic Started: Jul 25 2013, 06:02 AM (866 Views)
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(Cell after the Kamikaze attack on Kai's planet)

Well Was Gohan Stroneger?

In my Opinion not really, reasons.

1) Cell with a regular Ki blast destroyed his arm (when he shot Vegeta and gohan saved him)
2) Cell only lost because vegetas Energy Blast distracted him from the Kamehameha Clash with Gohan

What do you guys think?
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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!"

I still want to go with Gohan being stronger (if he wasn't injured). Gohan's power in this state is really subjected to how pissed he is and his over-all confidence. Regardless of the distraction from Vegeta, he was still able to obliterate Cell in spite of his pretty serious injury.

Super Cell>>> SSj2 Gohan (injured and not confident)
Super Cell<<<<<< SSj2 Gohan (healthy and pissed)
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I have them as equals.

I used to have Cell stronger since his new attitude seemed to imply that, and his casual Ki blast breaking Gohan's arm. But in the Buu saga SSj2 kid Gohan was used as the measuring stick for power rather than Cell.
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Jul 25 2013, 05:16 PM
I have them as equals.

I used to have Cell stronger since his new attitude seemed to imply that, and his casual Ki blast breaking Gohan's arm. But in the Buu saga SSj2 kid Gohan was used as the measuring stick for power rather than Cell.
Pretty much this, except I have Gohan with the slight advantage fully fit.

Gohan put himself at major risk when SPC blasted at Vegeta. He wasn't guarding, he was protecting Vegeta with his body against a blast which would kill the prince.
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I just realised I can have Cell above Gohan while still using Gohan as the measuring stick in Buu saga, it's simple...just don't have SSj2 Majin Vegeta and Goku above SPC. Did anything say they were stronger?
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That's funnier than a cow in a supermarket.
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Jul 25 2013, 05:21 PM
I just realised I can have Cell above Gohan while still using Gohan as the measuring stick in Buu saga, it's simple...just don't have SSj2 Majin Vegeta and Goku above SPC. Did anything say they were stronger?
It's implied when Piccolo says Vegeta is stronger than what Gohan was back then, and Gohan beat Cell. That could be discussed though.
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Jul 25 2013, 05:22 PM
That's funnier than a cow in a supermarket.
It's just a thought. But do you have any proof that they were stronger? I legit want to know so I can think this through and maybe change some gaps.
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Not any that I can get from my iPod. It's just the general tone that Gohan was the mile marker for everybody.
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"I am the bone of my sword."

There is literally two things that make Gohan stronger than SPC.

1.) Goku's implication that if Gohan goes all out, he can win. Which is probably the best option in the debate.

2.) The fact that people talk about Gohan instead of Cell when discussing differences in levels. (Which honestly, people described Freeza instead of Goku when comparing the cyborgs)

Everything else is literally Cell practically one shotting Gohan with a single Chi blast, docking his power to less than half, breaking his arm, shattering his psyche (Who no more than 2 minutes was telling Cell he'd have his face shoved up his ***), laughing his *** off the entire time in the beam duel without breaking a single sweat and finally be defeated by a Gohan going all out and while he's distracted.

I mea lets face it, from the start when SPC throws the chi blast, practically to the end of the fight, is Cell literally beating the snot out of Gohan and making him cry like a little child. I mean we're talking about a guy who chuck uncharged chi blasts and literally dock a person who by most accounts should be on his level and blew away not only his arm, but over half of his power and his psyche as well. I can't think of a single attack of a character who should be relatively on terms with another, do that much collateral damage.

Not to be the Cell fan or anything and its not like I would never accept Gohan>Cell, hell I have them equal, but face it. There really is more evidence to support Cell, direct evidence that we see, while there's some implied evidence at most with Gohan. Maybe if Cell was never distracted at the end, it would be certain that Gohan is stronger, but the fact that Cell actually has to be distracted sort of gives an indication that yeah, Cell still might have been too much.

Also just as a thought, maybe the "Marker" between two characters is not only about their power, but their character. The cyborgs were related to Freeza and described as being far more powerful despite the fact that Trunks and Goku were stronger. They were villains and were being compared with the last villain. When Vegeta makes his remark to Goku about being stronger than Gohan, he's comparing two Super Saiyan 2s instead of just comparing it to the last villain.

There's many times where if I could, I'd rather have Cell stronger than Gohan naturally and by the end of the fight Gohan is pushing out more of his excess hidden potential while still probably remaining weaker than SSj2 Goku and Majin Vegeta.

In short it may be easier to go with:

SSj2 Goku/ Majin Vegeta>~<SSJ2 Kid Gohan (Releasing Hidden power)>Zenkai Perfect Cell>SSJ2 Kid Gohan (100% Natural Ki)>>50% SSJ2 kid Gohan.

It honest actually helps fit. You have Cell stronger than Gohan is naturally but still potentially weaker than Gohan digging into more of his power. You have Goku's statement saying that if Gohan got angry, then nobody would be able to beat him and thus you could potentially have Kid Gohan releasing his power stronger than them, while Goku and Vegeta still remain above SSJ2 Kid Gohan (100% Natural ki) and htus fit with Vegeta's line.

The Resident Cell Fan has spoken.
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Gohan was initially confident in taking down Cell when he returned, but after the ki blast hit him, he admitted Cell powered up more than he thought. Clear statement of underestimation.

SSj2 Gohan >?< Post-Zenkai Cell (real power) > Post-Zenkai Cell (Gohan's estimation)

Gohan's true power was stated to be stronger than Cell. Clear comparison, and uncontradicted.

SSj2 Gohan (true power) > SSj2 Gohan >?< Post-Zenkai Cell (real power) > Post-Zenkai Cell (Gohan's estimation) > SSj2 Gohan (half power)
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"Gentlemen, you can't fight in here! This is the war room!"

Evidence to them being stronger than Super Cell is Goku and Vegeta mentioning that Dabura wasn't that "tough", and then Goku comparing him to Cell.

Not only that, but Vegeta mentions that Goku was stronger than Gohan against Cell. Gohan's power no doubt dropped considerably after his broken arm, which contributes to our perception of Cell's "overwhelming" power.
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Jul 25 2013, 05:16 PM
I have them as equals.

I used to have Cell stronger since his new attitude seemed to imply that, and his casual Ki blast breaking Gohan's arm. But in the Buu saga SSj2 kid Gohan was used as the measuring stick for power rather than Cell.
I read the title as "Goku" Ascended Saiyan and I was like "lolwut" with your answer. But I pretty much agree, with Gohan maybe having a slight edge. The basic thing that happened in the fight was both Gohan and Cell got in strikes while the other was distracted.
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Edited by POOHEAD189, Jul 27 2013, 05:20 AM.
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