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Who's stronger SSJ2 Boo Arc Gohan or Perfect Cell?
Topic Started: Jul 24 2013, 01:03 AM (1,553 Views)
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SuperSaiyan2
Jul 24 2013, 01:52 AM
The thing is Gohan never even tried to use SSJ 2, so what if he wasn't referring to it?
Because right after he said it might not be hopeless, Boo powers up and Dabura's down. That's when Gohan had to run and wasting time on a transformation that might not work may not have been the best idea.
SuperSaiyan2
Jul 24 2013, 02:01 AM
So yeah, it seems like Goku is relying on another rage boost.
you and changing yer argument 3 posts into a debate again.

boo @ dabura > rage boost gohan den.
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Because right after he said it might not be hopeless, Boo powers up and Dabura's down. That's when Gohan had to run and wasting time on a transformation that might not work may not have been the best idea.
He had plenty of time while Boo was being released from the ball.

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boo @ dabura > rage boost gohan den.
Gohan never had a rage boost, so how do you know?
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I think Goku may have been referring to his SSJ2 power when he was a kid, but that's as far I'd go for that statement.

Remember, Goku doesn't include himself in statements like that.
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SuperSaiyan2
Jul 24 2013, 02:09 AM
He had plenty of time while Boo was being released from the ball.
They didn't even see Boo yet. He hadn't fully registered what was going on. He was trying to find Boo, and when Boo showed up, he was skeptical as to whether or not that thing was Boo or not. His brain works like yours and mine, if he's flustered he won't act efficiently.
SuperSaiyan2
Jul 24 2013, 02:09 AM
Gohan never had a rage boost, so how do you know?
You just argued that Goku speaking of Gohan's anger meant his "true power" was his rage, no?
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SuperSaiyan2
Jul 24 2013, 02:09 AM
Gohan never had a rage boost, so how do you know?
If you say that rage boost Gohan is the strongest in the universe, that means that your rage boost Gohan > SSJ3 Goku.
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Kyouka Suigetsu
Jul 24 2013, 02:15 AM
SuperSaiyan2
Jul 24 2013, 02:09 AM
He had plenty of time while Boo was being released from the ball.
They didn't even see Boo yet. He hadn't fully registered what was going on. He was trying to find Boo, and when Boo showed up, he was skeptical as to whether or not that thing was Boo or not. His brain works like yours and mine, if he's flustered he won't act efficiently.
SuperSaiyan2
Jul 24 2013, 02:09 AM
Gohan never had a rage boost, so how do you know?
You just argued that Goku speaking of Gohan's anger meant his "true power" was his rage, no?
Yes.

IllogicalGlory
Jul 24 2013, 02:19 AM
SuperSaiyan2
Jul 24 2013, 02:09 AM
Gohan never had a rage boost, so how do you know?
If you say that rage boost Gohan is the strongest in the universe, that means that your rage boost Gohan > SSJ3 Goku.
Well it can be for sure. They are not consistent, but the maximum boost we saw was an enormous multiplier.
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SuperSaiyan2
Jul 24 2013, 02:21 AM
Well it can be for sure. They are not consistent, but the maximum boost we saw was an enormous multiplier.
If that's the case, then why does Gohan imply that no amount of raging is going to help him against enraged Boo?
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Jul 24 2013, 02:23 AM
SuperSaiyan2
Jul 24 2013, 02:21 AM
Well it can be for sure. They are not consistent, but the maximum boost we saw was an enormous multiplier.
If that's the case, then why does Gohan imply that no amount of raging is going to help him against enraged Boo?
Because he wasn't getting the boost. He said he was angry, but it wasn't like before. He couldn't tap into his hidden power.
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Boo @ Dabura > Gohan's true power >/~ Initial Boo. He considers taking on Initial Boo with his "true power" but feels hopeless when Boo powers up.

If he was talking about his rage, firstly he shouldn't be able to predict how far that can take him, and secondly if he took Goku's "invincible" pep talk to heart, he wouldn't have doubted himself (he didn't against Initial Boo despite not considering SSJ2, accordin' to you).
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I'm not saying he didn't consider SSJ 2, but the retcon just ruins the whole thing. Why wouldn't Gohan simply use SSJ 2 to quickly finish Dabura? It's why I think he may have been referring to his rage instead. He had PLENTY of time to use SSJ 2, maybe against Dabura, or even prior to that, but he did not.
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SuperSaiyan2
Jul 24 2013, 02:24 AM
Because he wasn't getting the boost. He said he was angry, but it wasn't like before. He couldn't tap into his hidden power.
He's optimistic about his chances against initial Boo, but completely loses hope against enraged Boo. He's helpless without the enragement and he didn't have it against initial Boo.

Why does he change from "if I use my true power, I can beat Boo. I don't have it yet, but maybe I can use it if I try."

to

"I'm f*cking screwed."

If his 'true power' is greater than SSJ3 Goku?
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IllogicalGlory
Jul 24 2013, 02:28 AM
SuperSaiyan2
Jul 24 2013, 02:24 AM
Because he wasn't getting the boost. He said he was angry, but it wasn't like before. He couldn't tap into his hidden power.
He's optimistic about his chances against initial Boo, but completely loses hope against enraged Boo. He's helpless without the enragement and he didn't have it against initial Boo.

Why does he change from "if I use my true power, I can beat Boo. I don't have it yet, but maybe I can use it if I try."

to

"I'm f*cking screwed."

If his 'true power' is greater than SSJ3 Goku?
Well yes, he could have beaten initial Boo with SSJ 2. Even Dabura could knock him around a bit. But when Boo powered up, he realized he was hopeless as you said, simply because he couldn't access his rage.
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You just mentioned the retcon so Gohan not trying to turn SSJ2 shouldn't be a problem. Considering it a retcon (a change in storyline, so in this case, Gohan was able to go SSJ2 at will before, and now he cannot for the sake of the plot or Toriyama's memory) fixes things, leaving it as it is is what leads to the confusion.

There is still a certain "rage" theory that I find acceptable, the idea presented in the Daiz which claims that the reason he was weaker was because he needed anger to get on Kid Gohan's level. Still, this all spirals back to your "SSJ Gohan" post which is incorrect however you swing things.

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Well yes, he could have beaten initial Boo with SSJ 2.
So what's on your mind at the moment?
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Kyouka Suigetsu
Jul 24 2013, 02:30 AM
You just mentioned the retcon so Gohan not trying to turn SSJ2 shouldn't be a problem. Considering it a retcon (a change in storyline, so in this case, Gohan was able to go SSJ2 at will before, and now he cannot for the sake of the plot or Toriyama's memory) fixes things, leaving it as it is is what leads to the confusion.

There is still a certain "rage" theory that I find acceptable, the idea presented in the Daiz which claims that the reason he was weaker was because he needed anger to get on Kid Gohan's level. Still, this all spirals back to your "SSJ Gohan" post which is incorrect however you swing things.

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Well yes, he could have beaten initial Boo with SSJ 2.
So what's on your mind at the moment?
Why is it incorrect if he couldn't use SSJ 2? He must have been trying to get more power in his SSJ form if he couldn't use 2.
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