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| Gohkan vs Vegetto; Possibly very close in power? | |
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| IllogicalGlory | Jul 21 2013, 11:32 PM Post #1 |
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My theory is this: Gohkan (potara fusion of Goku and Ultimate Gohan) would have basically the same power as Vegetto, maybe a little more (cause Gohan's really strong), maybe the same or maybe a little less (no rival boost). I believe that potara fusion is subject to the pretty much the same barriers that dance is fusion is subject to. In a fusion dance, the participants are ideally equal in power, but it is possible for one suppress his power and still fuse (Gohan could have fusion danced with Goku, according to Elder Kaioshin's statements), but this fusion won't be any stronger than the weaker one fusing with his equal. Gokhan (dance) = Gogeta There is also evidence for potara having a similar restriction. Sure, you can fuse with anyone, but the fusion may not be effective. This is why the Goku/Mr. Satan fusion is a no-go, the gap between them is too big, the only advantage Potara has over regular fusion in this particular case is that Goku would actually become minutely stronger, which is not the case for the dance variety. Or maybe not because of Satan's lack of ki control abilities. Chapter: 503 (DBZ 309), P2.5 Context: Goku contemplates merging with Mister Satan Goku: “It-it’s no use doing it with Satan…I can’t win if a power of 1,000 becomes 1,001…No, if things go bad, ain’t I gonna get weaker than I am now…!?” The same principle would apply in the potara fusion of base Goku and Ultimate Gohan, the gap between which is enormous, almost certainly bigger than the gap between base Goku and Tenshinhan, who are also incompatible fusion partners. My belief is this: the potara fusion of those two, because of their incompatible powers would only be about as strong as Vegetto; Gohan already has power comparable to Vegetto, even a small gain would be able to put him at his level, but there is no possible way that the fusion would be hundreds or thousands of times stronger than Gohan was. Potara fusion, much like dance fusion, only achieves its full power when performed by two people with equal power. I would say that Goku fusing with anyone 100-1000 times stronger than him would end up at the same level as Vegetto, the gain would be either bigger or smaller, but the result would always be somewhere around Vegetto's level. Maybe he would be weaker because there would be no rival boost, maybe stronger because of Gohan's power. |
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| Sjk8 | Jul 22 2013, 09:33 AM Post #2 |
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There's nothing that supports this theory though. Goku and Tien aren't said to be incompatible fusion partners, on the contrary, Goku looks at Tien and then complains about the fact he is unconscious; indeed, Goku would have wanted to fuse with Tien. Goku only says that Dende isn't a warrior. Mr Satan is a different case, since he is a normal human with no Ki control, so obviously the fusion result would be crap. On the other hand, Potara fusion of Goku and Gohan, in base, is said to be "pleeenty" in order to defeat Bootenks, and since the gap between Bootenks and Boohan isn't even 2x, Potara Gokhan would be plenty also for Boohan, while base Vegetto isn't. Also, from Vegetto's words, we can understand where expected Vegetto should be placed: according to Ssj Vegetto himself, indeed, the fight against Boohan should have been hard, so something like this: Ssj Vegetto (actual) > Ssj Vegetto (expected) >= Boohan. Vegetto is stronger than expected because of Goku and Vegeta being rivals; however, Gokhan should receive the same fusion boost as expected Vegetto, and that's still an enormous boost which would put Ssj Goku and Vegeta from being under Ssj2 adult Gohan to Boohan's level. Now, if you apply this same boost to Ultimate Gohan, who is already around 60% of Boohan's power, you have a Potara Gokhan who, thanks to Gohan's Mystic power and the big Potara fusion boost, is dimensions above even a hypothetical Ssj3 Vegetto. |
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| AA500 | Jul 22 2013, 06:16 PM Post #3 |
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The Rival boost isn't that big IMO, maybe 20%, Mystic Gohan is literally thousands of times stronger than Goku or Vegeta, so it makes sense that a Gohan/Goku or Vegeta fusion would be superior to a Vegeta/Goku fusion. |
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| Liarzax | Jul 23 2013, 11:18 AM Post #4 |
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Regardless of the Multiplier, Would not the resulting baby be Mystic? So all available Power/Potential be at the resultant's fingertips if not Beyond? |
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| Sjk8 | Jul 23 2013, 01:12 PM Post #5 |
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Yes, he should be, thanks to Gohan; that's why he would be way stronger than Vegetto. Basically, he would be so strong because of Gohan already being near Bootenks/Boohan, and that's because he has his natural limits of power surpassed thanks to Old Kai's magic. Saikyou no Senshi Gohan >(>) Z Ssj4 Gohan. Potara would not require Gohan to suppress himself down, and it also would provide a huge boost. That's why Potara Gokhan = very probable true monster. Edited by Sjk8, Jul 23 2013, 01:17 PM.
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| IllogicalGlory | Jul 23 2013, 05:13 PM Post #6 |
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In the thread about Tenshinhan and Goku potara fusing, it was agreed that the gap between the two would make the gains small. Same principles should apply here. |
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Jul 23 2013, 06:33 PM Post #7 |
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It was never agreed. Its only what you think, but it's proven wrong because kids demonstrated bigger power after fusing in Rosat... |
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